More Hatzalah Happenings
I heard an update to this post that I found a bit distressing. (Word to the wise: read the original post first if you want to understand what I am discussing here). Apparently, a well-known and well-respected community leader was included on the letterhead of the Hatzalah ad, without his express permission. Not only did he not approve the ad, he was extremely upset at being mentioned in the ad, and publicly said as much at a community event this week. All fine.
However, he then apparently sent out an e-mail, urging people to boycott the Five Towns Jewish Times, as the editor of the paper contributed to the "bizayon" of a Rabbi in our community.
Sigh.
I don't even know what to say. I thought the Hatzalah ad was heavy-handed and unecessarily toxic in tone, but this latest installment is also more than a bit much. Talk about shooting the messenger here. I can understand the fact that the Rabbi who sent out the e-mail wasn't exactly going to call for a boycott of Hatzalah. (Though I wouldn't put such self-sabotaging pettiness past some other leaders - just not this one). But to call for a boycott of a local paper, because they printed an ad by a local organization? Things are waaaaaay outta hand here.
All of this political backstabbing and public gameplaying is not doing anything for our community. What should have happened here, is that Hatzalah should have started this off by contacting the Rabbi who made the original disputed comments, whether themselves or through an intermediary, to try and iron out an understanding. And then, another respected leader behaved in a similar fashion.
Why is all of this necessary? Isn't there some other way this incident could have been worked out without all of the name-calling and infighting?
However, he then apparently sent out an e-mail, urging people to boycott the Five Towns Jewish Times, as the editor of the paper contributed to the "bizayon" of a Rabbi in our community.
Sigh.
I don't even know what to say. I thought the Hatzalah ad was heavy-handed and unecessarily toxic in tone, but this latest installment is also more than a bit much. Talk about shooting the messenger here. I can understand the fact that the Rabbi who sent out the e-mail wasn't exactly going to call for a boycott of Hatzalah. (Though I wouldn't put such self-sabotaging pettiness past some other leaders - just not this one). But to call for a boycott of a local paper, because they printed an ad by a local organization? Things are waaaaaay outta hand here.
All of this political backstabbing and public gameplaying is not doing anything for our community. What should have happened here, is that Hatzalah should have started this off by contacting the Rabbi who made the original disputed comments, whether themselves or through an intermediary, to try and iron out an understanding. And then, another respected leader behaved in a similar fashion.
Why is all of this necessary? Isn't there some other way this incident could have been worked out without all of the name-calling and infighting?
posted by orthomom at 10:37 AM
48 Comments:
A fair point you make, although any call to boycott the FTJT can't be all bad. Something like rationalizing for accidentally punishing the wrong kid - they may be innocent this time, but surely they've done plenty to deserve it in the past . . .
A fair point you make, although any call to boycott the FTJT can't be all bad. Something like rationalizing for accidentally punishing the wrong kid - they may be innocent this time, but surely they've done plenty to deserve it in the past . . .
I hear, and I suspect that the editorial staff of the 5TJT knew full well that they were venturing in a snake pit with this ad, but still. This method of slash-and-burn retribution toward anyone that has done wrong is so not...Orthodox. No?
What you did not mention is that the Rabbi who called for the boycott heads up a local school, and that the ftjt editor's kids go there! I wouldn't expect any major contributions from them in the future if this is what he thinks of their means of parnasah.
But seriuosly, good points. This whole thing has gotten out of hand. Maybe someone involved will read this and finally try to work it out. Or maybe they will ask you to be their mediator, LOL.
Au contraire, my mammarian friend. Slash and burn has always been the "Orthodox" way - as far back as Deena and Shechem, Pinchas and Zimri . . . It's just a matter of degree, and the seeming veracity of the cause. No?
my mammarian friend.
Um...do you mean maternal?
Slash and burn has always been the "Orthodox" way - as far back as Deena and Shechem, Pinchas and Zimri . . . It's just a matter of degree, and the seeming veracity of the cause. No?
Yes, but this type of unpleasantness seems so unecessary. Hatzalah is too important of an issue to start getting mired in he-said/she-said politics, namecalling, and backbiting.
Um...do you mean maternal?
Uh, no:
Main Entry: 1mam·ma·ry
Pronunciation: 'mam-&-rE
Function: adjective
: of, relating to, lying near, or affecting the mammae
Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.
Main Entry: 2mammary
Function: noun
Inflected Form: plural -maries
: MAMMARY GLAND
mammary
adj : of or relating to the milk-giving gland of the female
Oh. I knew what "mammary" means, I was just hoping you weren't referring to the actual definition. Whatever.
"Taboo", I know the Red Shul Chevreh likes to push the envelope, but is it necessary to obsess upon male and female body parts? Enough. Can't you just deal with the actual topics here? You're embarassing us.
As you wish, orthofanatic. Far be it from me to take up space from your oh-so-enlightening observations. Although I get the feeling our hostess was kind of enjoying our conversation. I know I was.
So the "red shul" really exists? I thought it was it was an ortho-urban legend...
Personally, I am not a fan of the 5 Towns JT, and as some have pointed out, they may have put out even worse stuff before. However, I do not believe in calling for a boycott over an ad that should perhaps have been reconsidered. I can undestand that the rabbi is upset, as it is implicit that he approved the ad when he was not consulted. That problem would not be solved by boycotting the paper.
The more reasonable solution would be for Hatzlalah to spend even more money apologizing for the inclusion of a name that had not been asked for approval. The 5TJT could also print a letter by the rabbi mentioned in the ad, as well as the rabbi that upset Hatzalah members in the first place to clarify the issue. (And they should not have to pay for ads)
This does, however, bring up the issue of possible misuse of tzedaka funds. I have been a regular (albeit small) contributor to Hatazalah. Now, though, I don't think I will appropriate my tzedakah money for an organization that spends so freely on ads.
I think a proper solution right now would be for the editor of the 5TJT to print a more balanced view of what actually transpired.
anonymous 12:23
I think Mom established last time that the ad was free. Am I correct?
Way too much gaiva in the holy 5 towns. and lots of rabbinic baggage.
I think Mom established last time that the ad was free. Am I correct?
Actually, I'm not sure. Someone said yes, someone said no. I would hope so, because it would make me feel better about them spending Tzedakah funds on an ad. On the other hand, the ad was about more than just a public service announcememt telling area residents not to hesitate before calling Hatzalah on Shabbos, it took great pains to criticize a local Rav for allegedly saying something the Hatzalah members disagreed with. Is that part of the public service announcement, or just gratuitous bashing?
Indeed, my busty friend, the answer to your question is that they are Jews and this is what we do best.
Why boycott one of the best Jewish community newspapers available (and for FREE, no less!!)?
Sounds a bit extreme and ungracious. If he doesn't like the paper, then don't bu..er, take it for free.
Still (waters do not necessarily run deep):
"Best Jewish community newspapers . . ." Seriously?! The FTJT makes a bundle out of advertising, for that precise reason: it's FREE - the major selling point to the locals who pay decent bucks to advertise in it. That plus the intentionally "controversial" topics that are raised in this local rag. If that's the best you think Jewish journalism has to offer, I strongly advise you to splurge for the Yated, the Jewish Week, the Jewish Observer, among others. It'll be a revelation, although it may take a bit longer to read than your average bathroom break.
what we we line our bird cages with if not for the FTJT?
Taboo
Yated: If no one dies and there is no important yahrtzeit's...they have nothing to say.
Jewish Obsserver: Can be summed up with the following topics: Teens at risk and ethics in the work place.
Jewish Week: Intellectually stimulating, but religously...for the bathroom.
I do agree with your FTJT assessmant though.
Ever hear of sarcasm, Taboo? Read still wonderin's comment again. Your previously sharp mind has been dulled by spending too much time trying to decode mysterious emails, I'm afraid.
Still (waters do not necessarily run deep):
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"Best Jewish community newspapers . . ." Seriously?!
Absolutely. Know anything about papers? I do.
The FTJT makes a bundle out of advertising, for that precise reason: it's FREE
No. Because it's a good paper with a broad reach that is reliably published and decently edited.
- the major selling point to the locals who pay decent bucks to advertise in it.
Actually, it's a lot more affordable or simply competitive with the reliably crappy Jewish Press, the reliably idiotic Yated, and the reliably clueless Jewish Week (Hamodia is a good paper, too)
That plus the intentionally "controversial" topics that are raised in this local rag.
And you certainly wouldn't accuse the Jewish press or Yated of grandstanding, would you??
If that's the best you think Jewish journalism has to offer, I strongly advise you to splurge for the Yated, the Jewish Week, the Jewish Observer, among others.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
It'll be a revelation, although it may take a bit longer to read than your average bathroom break.
A revelation? Or did you mean to say total Revulsion? That would be more accurate
I'm afraid you've outsmarted yourself, anon. Our mutual opinion of the FTJT is not a self-evident truth to all.
"Ever hear of sarcasm, Taboo? Read still wonderin's comment again. Your previously sharp mind has been dulled by spending too much time trying to decode mysterious emails, I'm afraid."
Taboo may be smoking his own stuff but I'm actually serious. The Five Towns Jewish Times is a respectable paper that prints plenty of communal organizational crap, but along with it, tends to have original content and frequent analysis of five towns politics and Jewish issues in a reasonably intelligent and credibly journalistic way.
Wow, I guess I have. I idn't think such a position was possible (Still, please tell me you are being sarcastic).
Your grasping at straws......
Whatever floats your boat, Still a.k.a Larry. What do you think I use to roll my joints?
Well, they say marijuana makes you a little paranoid and stupid. I can think of no other explanation of your idiotic assumption that the only person capable of liking the Five Towns Times is its editor.
And you certainly have no grasp of supply and demand ...an abstract concept that your pot-addled brain can obviously no longer grasp.
See, anon - what'd I say about still's capacity for sarcasm . . .
This whole thing is getting Ridiculously Silly. It's obvious I have No G-d given talents and I should probably try to stop being so Malicious and Fiery with you people. I think my holier than thou attitude is turning my new Young Friends off.
The 4:06 taboo post was written by a taboo-impersonator - not the original. While I have no idea what it means, and why it was posted, I feel I should make it clear that it was not written by me - the author of the prior taboo posts. Let's be fair, guys.
Very clever you dolescent Red Shuler...wait isn't that an oxymoron?
I think you mean "redundant," you (a)dolescent (oxy)moron.
Wait a sec, who is who now? Or is it Who is Ortho?
glen roth said...
"However, he then apparently sent out an e-mail, urging people to boycott the Five Towns Jewish Times, as the editor of the paper contributed to the "bizayon" of a Rabbi in our community." Were did you get this email from. I heard it was only sent out to a select few.
I received an e-mail from an anonymous tipster.
Ooh. Orthomom has her very own Deep Throat.
WIO,
This is just rich. While your defense of your shul is admisrable, your attempt to turn the tables on its supposed critics is fooling no one. Have you forgotten the string of posts of yesterday from luminaries like "orthoeiver" weaving groan-inducing double entendres and innuendo fit for American Pie 3?
It ain't bitterness you're seeing, Who, it's nausea.
You know something...after reading WIO's comments, it makes me realize that Teaneck doesn't sound so bad after all.
Who,
I was making no judgment regarding the Red Shul. Out of fairness, I won't chalk your misconstruing of my comment to defensiveness but rather to the fact that you must be running out to a wedding and didn't give my comment as careful a read as you ordinarily would.
In fact, my point is very similar to a point you made on another post: that wearing a yarmulka in a law firm exposes oneself to the judgmental eyes of others who may (for better or worse) generalize one's behavior to the broader group of orthodox jews. Same here. While it may be inappropriate to make a generalization as to the entire red shul based on the peurile remarks of a few, the notion that such a reaction is borne of "bitterness" is silly. As for me, I have nothing against the Red Shul. In fact, some of my best friends daven there:)
And if you think I have made any unwarranted assumptions or leaps of logic, chalk it up to the fact that I am typing this on a blackberry while driving on the way to a meeting that I am late for.
Red Shulers, Young Turks, Taboo, oh, My!
There goes (went) the neighborhood.
krum, how do you get this stuff on Blackberry?
WooHoo, still adding gas to the fire I see. G0od for you, because anti-semitites should'nt have to do all the work of makeing us look bad when we can do it for them.
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