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Sunday, July 03, 2005

Heroine of the Day

Today's heroine of the day is Asenat Barazani. Born in Kurdistan in around 1590 to a family of notable Jewish scholars, she learned alongside her father, Rabbi Samuel Barazani, who was the Rosh Yeshiva in Mosul. When she got married, her Ketubah contained a stipulation exempting her from housework so that she could devote her time to Torah study. Following the death of her husband, she succeeded him and her father as head of the Yeshiva. She was called "tannait" - Lady of Tanna - by her students, in recognition of her depth of Torah knowledge. She answered many questions posed to her by other Torah sages from around the world, and authored a commentary on the book of Mishlei (Proverbs). Barazani raised her son, Samuel to be a Rabbi and Torah scholar, and to follow in her father's, her husband's, and her own footsteps as head of the Mosul Yeshiva.
It is hard to overstate how unusual it would have been for a woman to assume the position of Rosh Yeshiva in the early 17th Century. Indeed, I have yet to see a Orthodox female Rosh Yeshiva. The breadth and depth of Torah knowledge that Asenath bat Samuel Barazani must have possessed to achieve that post and command the level of respect that had her students calling her "Rabbi" can only be imagined.

188 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another unusual choice. Thank you,OrthoMom!

10:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did they really call her "Rabbi"? Can we get her book on Mishlei?

11:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had no idea. I won't call OM "rabbi," but I certainly learned something valuable here from her.

2:37 AM  
Blogger orthomom said...

"I won't call OM "rabbi,"

Feel free! ;)

8:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

a stipulation exempting her from housework

Did she have a Poylisher to do the cleaning?

9:51 AM  
Blogger AMSHINOVER said...

i think you meant"Barzani"

11:24 AM  
Blogger orthomom said...

Thanks Amshi. It's actually spelled both ways. There is no consensus on the spelling.

11:47 AM  
Blogger AMSHINOVER said...

btw
i'm not so impressed by our current rosh yeshivos as to desire to have my proverbial daughter be one.

12:45 PM  
Blogger orthomom said...

Not a bad point.

12:55 PM  
Blogger Shifra said...

I'd assume though, that since he let his daughter study alongside him this Rosh Yeshiva (Rabbi S. Barazani) must be one of the good guys :)

What an interesting story!
I wonder if I could rework MY ketubah?

1:39 PM  
Blogger orthomom said...

Precisely what I asked OrthoDad last night when I put this post up...

1:52 PM  
Blogger Shifra said...

LOL!

I didn't even know you could mess with the text of the Ketubah, it's a little outdated these days as it stands...

2:03 PM  
Blogger orthomom said...

I think Asenat's whole story was a little out of the ordinary.

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Blogger AMSHINOVER said...

Professor Lieberman developed what came to be called "the Lieberman clause", added to the kesubah.In effect it was an arbitration agreement used in the case of a divorce; if the marriage dissolved and the woman was refused a get from her husband, both the husband and wife were must go to a rabbinic court authorized by the Jewish Theological Seminary of America and heed their directives, which could (and usually did) include ordering a man to give his wife a get.At the time this clause was proposed it had some support in the Modern Orthodox community, and Orthodox leader Joseph Soloveitchik gave this proposal his approval. They began work on a joint rabbinic committee that would insure objective standards of marriage and divorce for both Orthodox and Conservative Judaism. However, objections from Orthodox rabbis torpedoed this effort at cooperation, and the proposed joint effort faltered. Most of Orthodox Judaism then rejected the Lieberman clause as a violation of Jewish law. As such, it is only accepted as binding and valid in non-Orthodox denominations of Judaism.

2:12 PM  
Blogger Shifra said...

Now there's something worth blogging about!

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Blogger Miriam said...

You should profile the Maid of LUdmir.

2:15 PM  
Blogger AMSHINOVER said...

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2:18 PM  
Blogger AMSHINOVER said...

miriam,
i don't know if i agree,what did Channah Ra'chel Werbemacher do to deserve the title "Heroine"?

2:22 PM  
Blogger orthomom said...

I started a post about her, but it stalled. She's a complex character. I'm not sure, as Amshi said, that she can be called "heroic". But I wondered whether Asenath Barazani fit that qualification as well. The bottom line is, not all Jewish women role models fall into the category of "heroines". So that's been a sticky issue with this series.

2:40 PM  
Blogger AMSHINOVER said...

Asenath Barzani was a marbitz(?)torah,there is no greater hero than that

3:03 PM  
Blogger Alisha said...

Orthomom, this series is great, and if you're having dilemmas that might limit who you pick to profile because you're not sure if they fall into the category of "heroine," just change the title to "role models" or "icons" or "leaders."

As for Orthodox female roshei yeshiva, maybe there aren't for men. But even if Chana Henkin and Malke Bina go by the titles of "dean" and "director," I'd say their roles are pretty much the same.

6:37 PM  
Blogger Shifra said...

Yes but they are not the heads of MALE Yeshivot. That's really the difference.

8:16 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Amshi, a source for R' Soloveitchick agreeing to the Lieberman Clause? Doesn't seem right.

9:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"That's really the difference."

Well, no, the difference is that in the male yeshivos a higher level of learning is going on overall. That may yet change in future, but the fact remains that most entrants to their yeshivos haven't put in serious time beforehand learning, and a few years intensive learning is nice, but still leaves the typical graduate at high school level in charedi circles. Most of the students leave after a few years, they are married, usually have other careers - and so they have the equivalent of maybe early hs education for males. I mean, it's still something of a joke to equate what goes on under malka bina's direction w/ what is going on in, say, ponovezh.
I wish it were otherwise, but let's be realistic. We won't get women roshei yeshiva of real yeshivos unless the women are really serious about putting in the time.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Precisely what I asked OrthoDad last night when I put this post up..."

Ok, ok, but realistically. There isn't as much housework to do today. We don't boil our laundry in carbolic acid, we don't have to grind wheat or go to city ovens to bake bread, we have easy clean counters and floors for the most part and etc etc etc

And for what we do have, we can hire cleaning ladies. And we can buy takeout, supermarkets have basically ready cooked foods too, most cooking can be simple when necessary - if a woman doesn't want to cook or clean today, she really doesn't have to, and her family won't suffer much. (I'm diet conscious but most decent takeout places cook very similarly to the average heimsih home.) Sure it costs a bit more, but if the woman has a paid job teaching, which an educated woman can get, she should be able to afford it if it's a priority.

The real question IMO is what she did about raising the children. Who took care of her rosh yeshiva son when he was little???? That's where it becomes difficult to spend time on learning, isn't it - diapering and late night feedings

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK, taking a step back...Amshi, I don't have the text in front of me, but based on my recollection, the reason the Lieberman Clause was rejected by the M.O. was not b/c of the arbitration agreement aspect (cf. RCA prenup) but rather because the L.C. also states that if either party refuses to appear before the beit din, then the marriage is retroactively invalidated. This sort of wording created a safek as to the validity of the marriage from the start, and would basically put the couple in the position of possibly having extramarital sex (eek!) because they weren't really married. Pritzut everywhere.

11:31 AM  
Blogger AMSHINOVER said...

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11:58 AM  
Blogger AMSHINOVER said...

Liebermans clause states that if a get has not been given after the divorce, the couple accept upon themselves to appear before the "Bet Din of JTS and the RA", and to obey the dictates of "the Bet Din".There are a number of problems with this clause:
In order to force the impossible partner to appear and follow Beis Din, we need an American court to enforce the clause not really solving the problem of obtaining the get. In America there are a lot of fathers who do not pay child support or alimony. If they are taken to the civil courts to force them to pay, they can still refuse to pay.Many State Supreme Courts will not accept the Lieberman clause because of separation of church and state. There was one case in New York, Avizur vs. Avizur, that was appealed to the Supreme Court of the United States. Mr. Avizur claimed that the clause was never explained to him, and he was just told to accept the ketubbah as written. Eventually Ms. Avizur abandoned her case due to lack of funds. There are similar clauses in Tena'im see Igras Mosha eh4 107.Rav Mosha didn't want to make changes to the Keh'suba.
In 106, Rav Mosha is in favor of enacting a secular law, obligating a "Get" (via sanctions) if there is a separation and a secular divorce was granted already.T'nai B'kiddushin is a separate document and is not part of the kesu'bah. The husband weds the woman kedas moshe v'yisrael with the following condition: If we should be divorced civilly, and within a period of six months after the civil divorce I give you a get, then the kiddushin are valid. But if we should be divorced civilly, and within a period of six months after the civil divorce I do not grant you a get, then the marriage was not a valid one. The groom reads the T'nai in the presence of Beis Din and the kallah agrees.everyone present signs.
When the T'nai is used and the couple gets a civil divorce, the wife can goto Beis Din because her husband refuses to give a get and the kiddushin is rendered invalid she can remarry, This T'nai is based upon the ideas of the French and Turkish rabbinate and can be found in Eliezer Berkowitz's book, Tenai be-nisuin uve-get.The basic difference between these laws and conditions mentioned by Rav Mosha, is that it is specifically mentioned in the engagement contract; and in the government law - the right to stipulate before marriage, that only a real Bes Din will be authorized to deal with the get

12:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Avitzur, in the NY Ct of Appeals (highest court), upheld enforcement of the ketubah on the grounds that the couple had entered into a secular contract to be married according to "the laws of Moses and Israel." Ms. Avitzur financial situation is irrlevant - the highest existing law on the case is that NY courts recognize the terms of a religious marriage as enforceable by secular courts. This was followed by the NY "Get Law," which was made both better and worse in its early-90s revision. Currently, in NY, there should IN THEORY be no agunot who are legally divorced.

Aflalo v. Aflalo, a NJ case, is more of a hand-washing exzample - that is where the NJ Superior Court decided that enforcing the terms of the ketubah (even compelling either party to appear before a beit din) is too much an entanglement of church and state.

The RCA prenup obligates the couple to appear before a mutually agreed-upon beit din, and is written to be enforceable by civil courts (as an arbitration agreement). Are you saying that's okay (halachicly) only because it's a separate document, rather than L.C. which is written into the ketubah? As far as I know, the RCA prenup has not been testing in NJ, so I have no idea how it jibes with Aflalo. (I've only been in the field for a year, and not even that narrow slice of it, and in MA besides, where we have neither legislative nor case law on point.)

What you describe, though, does not solve the problem of the safek kiddushin, which is not l'chatchila a preferred situation. As I learned, retroactively nullifyiing kiddushin is meant to be a very last-ditch resort.

(Sorry, Orthomom, for the hijack.)

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Blogger AMSHINOVER said...

point 1) is to keep it out of the kesuba,
2)courts may be of no help
3)what i saught to describe was libermans clause not berman's fantasy

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