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Wednesday, May 16, 2007

Sweep?

Based on an email from a well-placed source, preliminary results indicate that the winners are Marcus, Blisko and Sussman, and all three propositions passed. Details to follow.

UPDATE: From Newsday:

Results were made available to Newsday at 1:35 a.m., Wednesday morning. Marcus defeated Cancelliere (5,057 to 4,715), Blisko defeated Levey (5,046 to 4,725) and Sussman defeated Greenbaum (5,309 to 4,566). The proposed budgets passed as well.

Lawrence District Clerk Alice Laino said some challenges were filed, but none would have any bearing on the outcome of the results.

Congratulations to all the winners. Now comes the hard part - making good on your campaign promises to provide every district child with the best education they can - while trying to heal the rift in this fractured community. I believe it can be done if we all try to get along and be kind and thoughtful to each other's needs in every arena. We are neighbors. Let's all act neighborly to each other. Good luck.

UPDATE: Full results here (PDF).

302 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

So Long Pam ;-)

12:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe you orthodox should cheat some more with the next election.

Lets see how many people you can have vote twice. Lets see how many non-resident yeshiva kids you can have vote illegaly, yes I'm referring to the ones from the Yeshiva on 878. Lets See how many absentee ballots you guys can fill out. Lets see how many people you can get to illegally go into the election sites and tell people to vote your way.

BRING IT

12:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The majority has spoken in a democratic election. Get over it.

12:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe you orthodox should cheat some more with the next election.

Lets see how many people you can have vote twice...


So what you are trying to say is "Congratulations on the win, As a responsible parent, I intend to now put the politics behind us and work for the good of the children. Sure, we will always have our differences, but we need to see that we can compromise and try each other's ideas occasionally. And we should recognize neither side has only one opinion, we are all complex people." I am really glad that we have all agreed to take the mature, high road now that it is over!

12:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous@12;26:

Were you the tactical genius who came up with the idea for the bigoted ads placed in the Nassau Herald. Its sure sounds like it. Make all the scurrilous, false and bigoted comments that you want. You defeated yourself with those ads, and you will continue to defeat yourself with that attitude.

12:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I recognize your situation. You have 9 kids a family and have to pay tuition to yeshivas for 20 grand a kid a year when you could send them to the perfectly fine public schools. As a citizen of the lawrence school district it is your responsibility to do whats proper for all families and students in the school district, not just yours. Just think how you are affecting kids at lawrence high school as well as teachers. Teachers are leaving, funding is being cut and the building is falling apart. Is that a desirable place for a learning environment, I dont think so. End of story, YOUR WRONG

12:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't you mean "you're wrong"? Try to get someone else to help with your children's homework..

Sore LOSER

12:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I recognize your situation as well. You're a stereotypical guilt ridden bagels and lox Jew.

12:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

woah quit acting like a nazi. check the discussion prior to this one. calling someone a loser is NOT acceptable

12:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought "sore LOSER" didn't count. I've lived in Lawrence 41 years. It's depressing to find out that all my old friends and neighbors really don't like me and my yarmulka as much as I thought they did..

12:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Loser and sore loser are not the same.

12:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon @ 12:39.

It is you who is wrong. A majority of voters in the district feel one way about what is best for the district and you feel another way, yet you want to impose your minority viewpoint on the district. In order to do that you call up a stereotype (come on, how many families in the district actually have 9 kids -not more than a very few I bet). Then you deligitmize the right of people to make choices which are different from your own. You are ignorant or indifferent as to why people choose to send their children to yeshivas where they can get a religiuso education, as well as to the financial sacrifices that people make to do it.

12:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

but capitalizing loser wasnt a reference to the previous statements? right.

12:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

tongue in cheek.

12:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Say a prayer for Yerushayalim on this special blessed day of Yom Yerushayalim

12:59 AM  
Blogger scotty said...

Enough already. It's over.

I'm Orthodox and happy that we won. Now that the vote is behind us I have to confess. I actually hope that we have a good public school system so that the area is populated by good families with well educated kids, jewish gentile, religious or non-religious or whatever. Let's stop villainizing each other already. It's counter productive.

1:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Final results aren't in yet but I certainly hope the 3 ALPS candidates lost. People who publicly display such hate and intolerance have no business holding public office or working with our kids.

Rememeber - children LEARN to hate. They aren't born that way!

Good riddance to Pam Greenbaum!!!!

1:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

they learn to hate as children when orthodox mothers tell them that they cant play with the other children on the block because they're not jewish, not because of pam greenbaum

1:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm blown away by all of this. Really I am. Is this the kind of environment we're really living in today?

I moved into the neighborhood over 10 years ago. I live on a wonderful block, and am friendly with those around me -- both Jewish and non-Jewish alike (I am Orthodox).

Each winter, I look out my window and see Christmas lights and trees. My neighbor looks out his window and sees my Menorah. There is no question that we're all different. But that's never been a problem.

Then a few weeks ago, I'm approached (confronted almost) and asked to have a sign put up in my yard. I was asked in front of many others and I'll admit that due to peer pressure, I allowed it.

My neighbor also had a sign put up on their lawn, although not for the same candidates that my lawn seemed to be voting for. Hmmm... suddenly, our entire block had signs. Some bigger, some smaller. But there seemed to be an odd tension about it all.

One day I finally felt the need to talk to my neighbor -- we were both outside in front of our houses and mentioned how our lawns both seemed to be sporting signs. I was surprised to hear that my neighbor was also "strongly pushed" to have a sign put up.

Turns out that we both have a lot more in common than you would think. My neighbor even mentioned that one of his children actually has an orthodox teacher and they absolutely love her. In any case, the talking really helped the both of us.

Sure, people will always have differences, but a nice open conversation can mean the world of a difference.

Then I see the comments here, and I'm not sure if this is a real conversation with adults, or if this is something I overhear when my kids are fighting over whose turn it is to use the computer.

Sadly, I am MOST surprised by OM here. First of all, you entitle your post "SWEEP"? WTF is that????? And then, you present a forum that allows for the escalation of comments that get worse and worse. Of course, you try to justify your actions by saying you stand for the community. Instead, you provide a forum that only stands to divide our community even more.

1:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i hate money and what it does to people.

1:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

until "WTF" I was with you.

1:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous 1:23am,

thank you for your mature input. the five towns needs more people like you. i pray that those who read your post will remember it and reflect on their own actions

1:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lets live like the iriquois. put away this hatred. please. for our children and any remaining ability to smile and appreciate life and disregard this frivolous mess

1:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everyone who "won":please, let's all be gracious in victory. No need to rub it in anyone's face or be smug. We won, fair and square (at least I THINK we did, it's still not official yet) ... BUT, let's all put ourselves in our neighbors shoes and think about what it must be like to feel the loss of control, the feeling that their neighborhood is changing and that they can not stop the momentum.
I think that some of the tactics the "other side" used were just aweful, and, even worse, many of our neighbors really do feel this way inside - this is an even greater reason to accept the win with some humility. Reach out to your neighbors, always be kind, speak to them and try to open their minds so that they can understand where WE are coming from.
Most of all, just be nice, friendly and be a good neighbor.
I was very saddened by the deep divisivness I saw and felt at the polling place last night.
I would love nothing more than to have some unity and harmony in this neighborhood once again.

2:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now that the budget vote / election is over, it's time for the Lawrence School District to get back to doing what they used to do best....educate children, ALL children. This used to be one of the finest and most respected school districts in the country. It has lost ground on both counts.

As a public school parent, I resent the despicable manner in which ALPS behaved throughout the
campaigning process of this years budget/election vote. I sincerely hope that ALPS will disappear for good. Never has one group done so much harm to so many. They have pitted neighbor against neighbor. They have taught hatred to children born innocent. They have destroyed the calm, nurturing
community in which we have ALL chosen to live and raise our children. This budget/election vote has resulted in their implosion.They've self-destructed and can no longer plague our community. For this I applaud them.

It's time to take ALL of the lawn signs down. It's time for neighbors to act like neighbors.
It's time to restore congeniality
and respect to our community and
to provide ALL of our children with
the surroundings and education to which they are entitled.

It really is about ALL children, and it's time for BOTH sides to
prove it!

3:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you're horrible

5:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't help but think how much better off the community would be without this blog. Anyway, I certainly hope that a responsible budget is proposed next year and that it passes again. After spending down the reserves to make up for the current underfunded budget, next year's budget is going to have to be a doozy.

6:33 AM  
Anonymous Observer said...

Some suggestions:
1) the election is over -- the majority has spoken (for better or for worse) and give the new Board an opportunity and then judge the board on its merits (or lack thereof);
2) Board members: please remember that your responsibility is to all children of the community (and I have no reason to doubt that you intend, and always have, to keep that in mind);
3) please don't call people Nazis (unless they wear swastika armbands or advocate wiping out an entire group of people based upon their race, religion, sexual preference, ethnicity, etc.)
4) for the love of God, please stop randomly capitalizing words in posts -- it is both annoying and rude (in the context of internet postings);
5) if someone asks you to put a sign up and your property and you don't want to: "just say no!"

6:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time to move!!

7:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ortho mom, or whatever it is you call yourself. You are dispicable human being who should be embarrassed and ashamed. What kind of person likes to press buttons and stir the pot? One who is insane and needs serous professional help. My advice to you is to get some! Disgusting!

7:12 AM  
Blogger thekvetcher said...

now it is time that Pam meet Rabbi Wolowik so she can do tshuva and become an orthodox jew. now she will be on the winning side all the time.

7:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 6:32
Actually I think its time to close another school - then we can bring the budget down.

7:41 AM  
Blogger orthomom said...

I cannot believe the tenor of the comments left overnight.

People, get a grip!!

The people have spoken. Now the new board has a real responsibility to provide the proper tools for a good education to all district children.

I believe they feel that responsibility keenly, and will act on it properly.

There is no room here for gloating, for sore loserish insults, for hurling up epithets.

We need to work together to make this community that harmonious place I KNOW it can be, a place that provides equitable services for each and child.

Please, people. The election is over. Let's take the democratic results for what they are and try to move on TOGETHER.

NO MORE NASTY COMMENTS.

7:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congrats from Merrick to all the winners.

Now let the Five Towns move ahead with taking care of all it's children, just as the incoming winners have said they will do.

Seems like a certain person lost an extra 300+ votes due to her vitriolic campaign.

8:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OM: you need to trust an e-mail for the results. Or Newsday? How often do you actually look at www.lawrence.org

8:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the end has this blog helped or hurt the community ?

The answer is obvious.
Orthomon I respect your writing skills but allowing anonymous posts etc has fanned the flames and threw gasoline on what ever tension there might have been.

Please change your format.

You are making money,literally,from peoples sick desires to speak harshly, and other peoples deires to watch it. It's like illegal chicken fights. They are wrong, serve NO purpose and should be stopped.

Orthomom, please explain why you wouldn't want to take the high road and change this format. Your posts are worthy . The damage that occurs by allowing this ugly display of childness out ways the good.
I respect your right to make a living, but when you do it through
allowing people to gawk at gore its wrong.

8:17 AM  
Blogger orthomom said...

The answer is obvious.
Orthomon I respect your writing skills but allowing anonymous posts etc has fanned the flames and threw gasoline on what ever tension there might have been.

Please change your format.

You are making money,literally,from peoples sick desires to speak harshly, and other peoples deires to watch it. It's like illegal chicken fights. They are wrong, serve NO purpose and should be stopped.

Orthomom, please explain why you wouldn't want to take the high road and change this format. Your posts are worthy . The damage that occurs by allowing this ugly display of childness out ways the good.
I respect your right to make a living, but when you do it through
allowing people to gawk at gore its wrong.


A few points:

I understand your concern about allowing anonymous comments, but I feel they serve a purpose. I do agree they can tend to get out of hand quickly, and when that happens, I usually warn the perpetrators, and then I do at times delete comments that are over the line.

The Nassau Herald made a point a few weeks ago, in the wake of running the ads against the "Orthodox Majority board" that caused such an uproar. They said that sometimes it's better to see what the candidates really think, so that you don't run the risk of electing a bigot. I agree with them that generally, the more information provided the better. When things get out of hand, as I noted, I do delete.

With regards to my "making a living", I have not even broke even from my ads.

8:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kinda funny how the one candidate that is attacking 'orthomom' in court got creamed more than the other two.

That means that more than a few folks who voted for the other two non 'orthodox' candidates, then chose to NOT vote for Greenbaum.

I guess no one likes divisive, drity poltics.

Welcome to mediocrity Pam.

8:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:46 AM: I echo your comments.

Pam put her foot in her mouth and caused her own political demise.

Let's see how Larry Gordon gloats in his next issue. I almost went up to him last night at the school and questioned him at length as far as that so-called "picture" garbage (and ended up being a lie) was concerned, but the tension in the school was palpable enough, as the Orthodox decided to stay away from all the other people not wearing a kippah.

Let's hope we can move on and follow all the school board guidelines for the betterment of all of our children.

8:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The election is over, let it go, we hope the new board does what it said it would do. Interesting to say that pre-k busing only lost by 600 votes, many people on both sides were unhappy with the proposition, and the candidates only won by 200,300,700. The closest that I can remember. I think this speaks volumes, people have had enough. They were willing to take a chance. If anything I feel sorry for the new board, when the fall hits and parents complain about the three year olds not having matrons, corner bus stops, etc, and everyone is watching so closely what they do I am afraid nothing will get done. The sussman vs greenbaum, we should have just not voted, the man was president of the board when the 2001 spendown occured and the reading scores were the lowest.

8:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wham, Bam, So long Pam!!!!

8:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hopefully we can now bring the troops home from Iraq.....

9:09 AM  
Blogger Yeshaya said...

The likely exodus that will ensue as a result of the elections will likely bring down housing prices that will offer the opportunity for further tax assessment reductions. Hurray for homeowners and those looking to move into our neighborhood.

9:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am brooklyn resident from williamsburg looking to move to area , I hear you have wonderful education system

10:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the winners, congratulations. You have a lot of work to do in the coming years to improve the educational quality of the children in our district and retore harmony within the community.

To the losers. No one loses in an election if they articulated their positions well.

Let us all work to acheive success and restore our community to the high standards it once had. Working together can get the job done.

10:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Today is " Yom Lawrence "

10:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Yeshaya:

What a fine human being you are. I'm sure you're an inspiration to all who know you.

10:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

maybe Tisha B' AV for others

10:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

excuse me im a student in the public schools and i have pride in Lawrence. grow up orthomom. you write slanderous things about Ms Greenbaum yet you wont disclose who you are...that make me sick

10:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you all for bringing honesty and integrity back to Lawrence. Previous irresponsible selfish and bigoted boards have finally been exposed and discarded. The current board will undoubtedly act honestly honorably and altruistically. If the outcome of this election were reversed , one group would surely have been persecuted. I am a lawrence resident for 32 years,sent my children to lawrence public schools ,and currently have grandchildren in the schools. I am embarrased ,disappointed and ashamed of what the "non orthodox" boards have done to our system in the last 15 years. Every child will benefit from the ethical board members elected ysterday. Corruption and dishonesty can only be tolerated by fools. Thankfully, as a community we have now become wiser. I am looking forward to a bright future for my grandchidren. Thank you.

10:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anon 8:03:

"Congrats from Merrick"

Let me guess, you're Orthodox and don't even live in Lawrence.

Typical.

10:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can we just move on now? The election is over. What difference does it make if we keep insulting each other?.

10:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I cannot believe the tenor of the comments left overnight.

People, get a grip!!"

Not sure why you cant believe them, would have been surprising if the comments were tame and friendly.

My preference would be for the orthodox not to have a majority on the board. I think where things went wrong was when the pressure was on the school board cause of an out of control budget, they decided to cut programs for the private school population. What they should have done is offered more to the private school population, so that the public school could maintain the programs. This will take a long time to correct. Based on my Yeshiva tuitions, unfortunately, my school taxes going up are really meaningless. But I dont think the private school families can handle school tax increases, when the growing Yeshiva population is losing what little they get from the school budget.

One day, perhaps a "public school" board can take over this board with the understanding that the budget cant have huge increases, and that if more services were offered the private schools, there would be more room for public school programs to remain. They could do this with the understanding that the private school has the majority and can retake the board at any time.

10:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

because it does

10:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The election process works. When Mr Licatesi and his ALPS candidates won a few years ago there were 11,500 people who voted for cnadidates and 7,500 people voted on the budget. (It lost-why? 4000 pople voted for candidates and not the budget.

The numbers are down approximately 3,500 from that election compared to this years.

So what made the differnce between the 2 votes. I offer that many ALPS supporters in the past did not support their candidates this year. I offer that public school parents voted against the ALPS slate rather than for the other candidates.

If my assumptions are correct, perhaps the reason the ALPS slate lost was due to their ad campaign.
If so, there is a message there about negative ads.

Mr Mistero crowed about winning the prior election. What's his rationale for losing this one? He didn't get his vote out, and his supporters are fed up as well. I wonder how Skelos will fair in next years senatorial election?

Making accusations of voter irregularities is an excuse not an answer.

Let us move forward and try and work as a community supporting our school system.

11:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One day, perhaps a "public school" board can take over this board with the understanding that the budget cant have huge increases, and that if more services were offered the private schools, there would be more room for public school programs to remain. They could do this with the understanding that the private school has the majority and can retake the board at any time.

I agree. I strongly supported the Marcus/Blisko/Sussman ticket and devoted substantial time and effort to their victory. But I agree that ideally the school board should be run by public school parents (although some private school representation is a good idea).

11:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the lawrence non orthodox grandparent has expressed the real opinion of many within the public school community. deep down they know that the ortodox board will do the right thing for them.

11:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I recognize your situation as well. You're a stereotypical guilt ridden bagels and lox Jew.

I can't imagine a higher compliment.

Jay Todtman
(Toddy's)

11:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:55 AM wrote: "The likely exodus that will ensue as a result of the elections will likely bring down housing prices that will offer the opportunity for further tax assessment reductions. Hurray for homeowners and those looking to move into our neighborhood."

Not so fast, buddy.

If you read the back of the Nassau Herald each week, you will see the number of people going bankrupt. We're not talking about small houses either. These are substantial houses. And these are not minority homeowners either.

Tax assessments are still lower than market price in most areas, so assessments aren't being won as often or for as much as you may think.

People don't think about the tax implications when they move into the area and it seems that many people who moved in 5 years ago are moving out again for that reason.

The only things that really erode our tax base are people who use our schools and are not residents of the area, and those who turn their one family homes into multiple family dwellings without permits.

So don't jump to conclusions so fast. People who have been here for a while will continue to stay the course.

11:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oops - not bankrupt - I meant foreclosure. Sorry.

11:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hopefully now, we don't become a kiryas yoel. it's enough too many act like flatbush yidden, but if our educational system becomes kiryas yoel, we're in trouble.

11:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would just like to say a couple of things. I don't have kids in the Lawrence school district and I did vote for the non orthodox just for the simple fact it's not about the kids it's a controlling issue..Jews make up 4% of the United States big deal there not taking over in a hurry and probably never will what bothers me the most is that it's such a racist thing now and it's uncalled for..The last time I checked most Christian and catholics are Pro Isrieli I mean we fight for your mother country to help them and the way you fight against us is uncalled for the last time I checked the United States Military I didn't see any orthodox fighting for this country that so desperately stands up for you people over in Israeli.Our problems in the middle east stem from israeli and it's a known fact why is it that every country surrounding israeli hates israeli why is there so much hate towards jews in this world WHY?.the sad thing is tho that this world is a sick place and there are sick people in it and in the 5 towns community since there is such animosity someone is bound to do something stupid and it's like with all this fighting your asking for something serious to happen these people who make the threats and everything else have to scare you cause one day someone is gonna come through with it and you know what I don't hope it to happen...I just hope before things really start getting out of hand no one gets hurt as for a adult I wouldn't care but I hope children don't get hurt orthodox or non orthodox cause they don't know any better...Enough is Enough Stop with this big POWER TRIP...

11:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re: Anon 11:55 AM

Can you say "Protocols of the Elders of Zion?"

12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why can't the school systems just be about literature, art, music, mathematics, and science? whatever happened to that being the main focus?

12:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am an orthodox jew and I was a JAG for the Navy between 1979 to 1981. I served my country, did you? Every week I read a column in a Jewish mag by another orthodox jew who is a doctor in Iraq and he gets shot at. My neighbor's another jew, his son was in the army in Iraq shooting cannons. So Mr. patriot do not throw your stones did your son serve?

12:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:55 AM: I can understand everything you write and your feelings. There are certainly a LOT of mixed feelings today. But we have to put that aside for now and look to the future and what we can ALL do for ALL the children in the district.

I hope that everyone stays safe. Nobody should break the law and hurt someone else, whomever they may be. The law is the law, so do not break it. If you physically attack someone solely because of their religion, you go away to prison for a VERY LONG TIME. I am a public school parent and I MYSELF will stand by my pledge that if ANYONE is hurt because of their religion, I will not only call the cops, but have every television and newspaper carry the story AND have every government entity on your case.

Your computer ISP's can be traced, so what you have written, can and will be used against you in a court of law.

Enough with threats and onto the task of caring, nurturing and the healthy education for ALL OF OUR CHILDREN.

And to all the Orthodox community, do not take this person's threats as an example of the rest of the community, whether Jewish, gentile, etc. This is only one person and he/she does not speak for the whole community.

12:08 PM  
Anonymous 88friends@yahoo.com said...

JUST IN...from the home office- the top 10 results of the election outcome
10. Closure of B'way from 878 to
Woodmere Blvd on Shabbat
9. Nassau Herald will have a mazel
tov section
8 Borders will have an Art Scroll
section
7. Temple Sinai will have an ortho
minyan in the basement
6. Atlantic Beach Bridge closed
friday night till sat nite one
hour & 15 min after sunset
5. Free parking near the Atlantic
Beach boardwalk ( just like in
the good old days)
4 Lawrence HS will have mincha
minyan
3. Pamiela Greenburg buys 2 sets
dishes
2. Andy Levy ordered tefelin from
Judaica Plus
1. All adversaries attend a
gala Memorial Day BBQ and have
a wonderful time and cut all
nonsense crap out

12:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:23 PM:

Very cute. It gave me a chuckle.

12:37 PM  
Anonymous Merrick Jewboy said...

"Congrats from Merrick"
Let me guess, you're Orthodox and don't even live in Lawrence.
Typical."


Typical? What does that mean?
In case you didn't know, what has been transpiring in Lawrence has been news all over the tri-state area.

I don't identify as "Orthodox".
And yes, I live in Merrick.

The anti-semitism espoused by self-hating Jews in Lawrence is out of control.

Intelligence & common sense won the election in Lawrence. Deal with it.

12:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Must be trying to destroy Merrick too! ;)

1:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:55 AM:

In addition to the gentleman above (12:05) who served in the JAG Corps, my (orthodox) father is a veteran of the US Navy in which he served during Vietnam. My (orthodox) neighbor when I was growing up was a recipient of the distinguished service cross for bravery during his service in the US Army in WWII. Numerous Orthodox Jews have served and serve in the US armed forces. This obviously has nothing to do with District 15 or school board elections; however idiotic biased and ignorant statements such a yours should not be left unanswered.

1:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I would just like to say a couple of things. I don't have kids in the Lawrence school district and I did vote for the non orthodox just for the simple fact it's not about the kids it's a controlling issue..Jews make up 4% of the United States big deal there not taking over in a hurry and probably never will what bothers me the most is that it's such a racist thing now and it's uncalled for..The last time I checked most Christian and catholics are Pro Isrieli I mean we fight for your mother


WE ALL KNOW THAT THE JEWS ARE THE REASON FOR THE WAR IN IRAQ

3:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
why can't the school systems just be about literature, art, music, mathematics, and science? whatever happened to that being the main focus?

12:05 PM



--because things like art were largely cut from the lawrence public schools in recent years, thanks to elections like yesterday's

3:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Today there is a bowling team instead of art - that one wasn't cut.

3:52 PM  
Anonymous Merrick Jewboy said...

You called it!
We have our sights on Merrick, Freeport, Roosevelt, Massapequa, Valley Stream, Malverne and Franklin Square.
How did you get a hold of the minutes of our latest meeting?

Maybe you should move to Saudi Arabia, where it's guaranteed Judenrein?

3:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

its funny how in the past the orthodox community didnt want the budget to pass and now all of a sudden the orthodox community passes the budget..hmmm makes you wonder

4:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

doesn't make ME wonder. Maybe it was passed this time because people now feel that the budget was finally put together by fiscally responsible folks.

4:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, next year, no windfall from school aid, so we have to be careful with the proceeds from the sale and we have to be ready for some budget hikes.

4:29 PM  
Blogger Yeshaya said...

Anonymous 4:22 PM said...
doesn't make ME wonder. Maybe it was passed this time because people now feel that the budget was finally put together by fiscally responsible folks.

EEEXXXXAAAAAAACTLY!

4:34 PM  
Blogger Yeshaya said...

This comment has been removed by the author.

4:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what i'd like to know is what happens now that the school budget is lower than austerity would have put it?

4:36 PM  
Blogger Yeshaya said...

Let's start to think outside the box about kids in the public school system. In an age of telecommuting and outsources it is not hard to understand that a child does not need to sit in a public school classroom in order to be a part of the public school system. The public school system provides educational and cultural services to all residents of the district. Children that sit in private school classrooms are just as much a part of the public school system as those that sit in public school classrooms. Let's get creative about utilizing the public school resources...e.g. have web conference of high school math that is projected to the private schools. They can watch it live and have a teachers assistant at each location.

4:43 PM  
Blogger Yeshaya said...

Anonymous 4:36 PM said...
what i'd like to know is what happens now that the school budget is lower than austerity would have put it?

AAHHH...little secret...being out of austerity allows access to the surplus!

4:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do you call yourself "Ortho" mom. Isn't that offensive? Racist? Bigoted? Or are you referring to the fact that maybe you are a dentist's wife?

4:44 PM  
Blogger Yeshaya said...

Anonymous 4:29 PM said...
Well, next year, no windfall from school aid, so we have to be careful with the proceeds from the sale and we have to be ready for some budget hikes.


Or...we can sell another school.

4:48 PM  
Anonymous R said...

As a member of our community I have been reading this page and these comments, interested in what others thought. However, how could anyone have the nerve to call someone who is not for the elimination of the jewish people a nazi? that there are people willing to use such terminology deeply and utterly offends me, as a jewish member of our community. I do find it wrong that people have been stealing each others signs, but once again, no one should be called a nazi.

As for the budget vote:
I myself attend lawrence high school. I agree with the previous commenter that with a budget lower than austerity, we may lose State aid, and a once top-rated school district such as lawrence may plummet even more. I just hope that Marcus, Blisko, and Sussman know what's right, and do what's best for both the public and private school kids, not the "community" of which many speak (in saying community, only favoring one side). Finally, I would like to commend Michael Hattan, who I have seen at many Lawrence High School baseball games, and has come personally to address improvements he plans on making to our music department. I hope more of our board members can act in a manner such as he.

4:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone know anything about the Inwood Community Center being taken over?

4:59 PM  
Anonymous R said...

Anonymous said...
Why do you call yourself "Ortho" mom. Isn't that offensive? Racist? Bigoted? Or are you referring to the fact that maybe you are a dentist's wife?

that's offensive and certainly not necessary.

5:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just want to understand the rules.

5:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, the ICC, as well as Trader Joe's, Burger King, the Lobster Place & Boston Market are all being turned into Yeshivas.

It's all in the secret plans that Pam G has.

5:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I cannot believe, after all this community has been through, there is still hatred being SPEWED by community members?

Can't we be adult enough to stop it at this point and try to work together for ALL THE CHILDREN???

OrthoMom, I think you should step in at this point and lay down the riot act. If you want to be a catalyst for the GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY and ALL THE CHILDREN, it should start with ALL THE ADULTS.

If you choose to lie silent on the situation, it would show to me and all others reading/watching/participating in this blog that you condone such behavior.

We are PAST the election and should now concentrate on the issues at hand: our children's education and what is good for all in the community.

5:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You people are crazy..Who cares let them have everything why do you think non ortho moved out of the area they don't want to look at these people...Sell youe house and get out of here but sell to the biggest scum on the earth and that will be a good deed...

5:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

actually did anyone ever hear of the time when house was burning in lawrence and local fire departments arrived and were helping people in need that got hurt and then hatzolah came and where pulling people off stretches so they wouldn't be touched by non orthodox and thats a true story..they even want the Control of the fire department I heard..

6:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it's time for a good clean neo-nazi rally down central avenue, so that all the ortho-haters can release their anger in public.

6:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

..."and thats a true story"

anon 6:01, you are a fool.

6:26 PM  
Anonymous Merrick Jewboy said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

6:26 PM  
Blogger orthomom said...

Ok. This is really out of control. Are the Orthodox-haters leaving the comments here really so disgruntled over the results of the democratic process that you have to bash your neighbors for voting their mind?

Enough. Grow up and learn some manners.

6:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lawrence sounds like a wonderful place to live.

6:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

re: 6:01 comment. That is a very true story. And Lawrence used to be a nice place to live.

6:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the rally down central has to be the funniest thing I heard I think that's going a little too far tho I would take it easy with comments like that...these are people just like us they just think different they all think the same no one has different opinions in there group

6:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

merrick jewboy that FD story is a true story trust me on that...

6:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If all the non ortho people came out and voted you would of crushed there people it wouldn't of even been a election but there is no unity in the 5 towns the othro have unity but when you send your kids to private school and the teachers put stickers on the kids vote for blisko sussman and the other clown that just shows you what kind of people these are using kids that don't know any better

6:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OrthoMom: the spewing of hatred is going both ways. I see that you addressed the Anti-Ortho's but are silent about those who supposedly know better (midos).

Shame on you OrthoMom. Can't you call a "spade, a spade"?

6:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

got news for all of youse, this is just the beginning, SATMAR is going to take over everything in a few years.

7:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
its funny how in the past the orthodox community didnt want the budget to pass and now all of a sudden the orthodox community passes the budget..hmmm makes you wonder

4:12 PM

I find it even funnier how the past few boards wanted the Budgets passed, and this year Pam and her crew wanted it voted down.

7:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

" Anonymous said...

OrthoMom: the spewing of hatred is going both ways."

Show me comparable comments to the anti-Orthododx ones we see here. You cant.

7:08 PM  
Blogger orthomom said...

Seriously, everyone. Enough. Constructive, productive, non-combative talk or don't comment.

7:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you OrthoMom for stepping in.

7:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Im glad to see OM had a change of heart as well. tizku lmitzvos.

7:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what is SATMARS?
The budget passed it wasn't even a percent increase lol thats why they wanted it passed lol .90 lol I love it destroy the kids future

7:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Satmar are the people keeping yiddishkite alive

7:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

satmars are the ones who feed the sick poor and elderly without any questions asked. they are the ones who visit you in the hospital and make sure you are taken care of. they are the ones who will bury te dead with dignity. not to be confused with the notorious NK.

7:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just because one "side" has a majority in a voting situation, it doesn't mean that all the members of that "side" are going to agree. Just look at the Republicans or Democrats. As a matter of fact if you think that just because the majority of the school board is made up of observant Jews, have a seat at any board meeting in one of the shuls and see how "unified" the board there is.

As a matter of fact you can go to each and every school board member, past or present, and ask if they think that Peninsula Library should have a safer driveway and everyone will say yes. But is anything ever done about it?

Talk, talk, talk is all we'll get. More committees, more study, more proposals and more posturing. People get the government they deserve. I'm curious to see whether or not the make-up of the school board will make any difference at all.

8:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Democratic Process????? Hmmmmmmm
Lying, cheating, deceipt.
Yup thats the democratic process!!!

8:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

deceipt? You must be a spelling teacher in sd 15. You deserve an even bigger contract!

8:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You won!! You won !! You won!!!
Gee what a suprise! They are dancing in the streets of Tel Aviv oops I mean Lawrence. We will always be watching with lawyers and lawsuits at the ready just like you did.

8:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a student at Lawrence, and I really take offense to comments like "deceipt? You must be a spelling teacher in sd 15. You deserve an even bigger contract!" Maybe the public school community didn't win this one. Please don't take that as a sign that we don't deserve equal opportunities. I have friends at LHS who work 2 or 3 jobs, on top of going to school, to supplement their parents' incomes, so they can put food on the table for their younger siblings. I know many students who just moved to the USA and don't speak English, and their parents cannot find work because they are basically illiterate. These families are in our community, and deserve help. Please, let's stop the fighting and the name-calling and the childish behavior and do what is right for all students. No children are more entitled to an education than any other, regardless of religion. And since this seems to have become such a religious issue, lets remember "LOVE THY NEIGHBOR."

8:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it is very sad that the entire situation turned into us against them. it is also a fact of life that neighborhood demographics change all the time. For example Brownsville, the bronx etc. as a result of the change the needs and the priorities of the community will change. sometimes for the better sometimes for the worse. look at Far rockaway, it was a toilet a few years ago, now it is one of the most desired places for orthodox jews. the bottom line is if you cant stand the heat get out of orthotown. who would ever thought you could sell those bungalows in cedarhurst for top dollar.

8:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ANTI ORTHO SAYS:

How come all of you peace loving people who want nothing but the best for everyone and just want to get along and be neighborly have not said anything about the blogs left by anon 6:32 or yeshaya. Is it because you agree with them? Well orthomom ? It's ok for them to says things like that with no comment from you or anyone else from your community but if anyone who is not one of you people says anything like that we are bigots and racist. And of course we should not believe that what they said is true Right?

8:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

add anon 8:44 to that also
we need some palestinians to move here then we would see what smart asses you are then

8:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

we got them in pickwick market

8:58 PM  
Blogger Still Wonderin' said...

Attention self-appointed guardians of Orthodoxy who spent today trolling the Orthomom site to stomp out hatred and injustice, but instead, got their panties in a bunch once it actually appeared ...

Please consider this possibility:

An overwhelming majority of the idiotic "anti-orthodox" comments here are the work of ONE nudnick who:

a) has nothing better to do than bait a bunch of sanctimonious babies afraid that a dozen or so ludicrous comments will invalidate who they are and what they believe

b) is delighted that a string of obviously indefensible, nonsensical comments has so completely enraged so many.

Might I suggest ignoring the nudnick?

Might I suggest that just ending the debate is more constructive than perpetuating this unbelievable cycle of stupidity?

9:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i agree

9:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

me too

9:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

whats a nudnik?

9:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Orthomom,please remove 6:46

9:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can someone just answer my question why is it that so many people hate jews..I mean even in Israeli that is about the size of suffolk county everyone surrounding them hates them.Why is it? Why for the past 50-60 years do people hate jews so much why?This country screwed up after 50 years ago giving them israeli which was owned by england it was a mistake they should of use the land to deploy nuclear bombs in the ground..

9:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do you think that so many of them are changing the Political Party from Democrat to Repulican..The Big democrats that matter know that now Israeli stems the problem the jews stem the problem and they want our boys home the republican already knows there the problem but they stick right behind them thats why alot of them are switching to repulicans cause rep are for them they fight for them they were just too stupid to figure it out for all these years and when I mean big dems i don't mean that idiot toback or one of those fools..

9:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
excuse me im a student in the public schools and i have pride in Lawrence. grow up orthomom. you write slanderous things about Ms Greenbaum yet you wont disclose who you are...that make me sick

10:25 AM


This is incredible -- amazing -- an "anonymous" poster complaining that orthomom is.... anonymous!

9:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Thank you all for bringing honesty and integrity back to Lawrence. Previous irresponsible selfish and bigoted boards have finally been exposed and discarded. The current board will undoubtedly act honestly honorably and altruistically. If the outcome of this election were reversed , one group would surely have been persecuted. I am a lawrence resident for 32 years,sent my children to lawrence public schools ,and currently have grandchildren in the schools. I am embarrased ,disappointed and ashamed of what the "non orthodox" boards have done to our system in the last 15 years. Every child will benefit from the ethical board members elected ysterday. Corruption and dishonesty can only be tolerated by fools. Thankfully, as a community we have now become wiser. I am looking forward to a bright future for my grandchidren. Thank you.



this man speaks the truth. as a public school parent i am appaled at the despicable behavior of the alps. i look forward to the fresh non bigoted non corrupt new board led by honest people without any agenda. our children have been harmed by the public school leaders concentrating on harming the private school population at the expense of trying to compel our teachers and administrators to repair the system that WE {not them} destroyed. my sentiments are shared by hudreds of parents from inwood {where i live}. in advance , i would like to thank the incoming board for what it will attempt to do. rid waste and bring back the high quality of education our children deserve

9:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Orthomom said:
Seriously, everyone. Enough. Constructive, productive, non-combative talk or don't comment.

thats funny if thats your state of mind then you should delete your blog

and secondly to the Anonymous poster who called me out for posting as Anonymous. I'll reveal my identity if she does

Does anyone the issues at Lawrence?Our auditoriam was closed for a yr which made the orchestra practice in the cafeteria. ceiling tiles fall down during school hrs. Some parts of the hallways have random blackouts and when it rains we have garbage pails to collect the water that leaks through the roof

9:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And my wallet's too small for all my 100's and my diamond shoes are too tight.

10:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LAWRENCE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS DESTROYED SOON TO BE LIKE ROOSEVELT

10:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe we could put 50 kids in a classroom with one teacher and the Pre K and Kindergarten maybe put 75 kids in a classroom with a 55 year old teach oh wait we can't do that cause you send your kids to number 4 so we will limit that to 18 kids to a class..But elementry school we will put 45 in a classroom..

10:36 PM  
Anonymous R said...

The Slew of comments left by adults and children alike on this comment box are terrible. Everyone, grow up. A neo nazi rally, 6:26? are you kidding? as a grandchildren of survivors, do you know what pain you are causing to me, a public school conservative jew?

How about some anonymous poster rally enough courage to constructively criticize?
for example, in Lawrence, the first floor bathroom has been out of order for the entire year. There is one other boys' bathroom in the building which has half as many toilets. I feel that this is a problem that certainly must be adressed in the near future.
Once again, i hope the intentions of the board members are of the entire community, not just theirs.

10:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SINCE WE HAVE CONTROL ON THE SCHOOL BOARD LET'S KNOCK DOWN THE HIGH SCHOOL # 2,4,5,6 and cram every non ortho in the MIDDLE SCHOOL but let's take the track and soccer field away from them NO MORE SPORTS FOR THEM...

10:49 PM  
Anonymous R said...

you are a terrible person.

10:53 PM  
Anonymous R said...

correction: i said "grandchildren" before, and i meant "grandchild"

10:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

as we get ready for matan torah i cant help but remember that we all were there kish echad blev echad.

11:09 PM  
Blogger R, High School Student said...

it means "like one man, with one heart." Language?

Orthomom, a little moderating please?

11:31 PM  
Blogger orthomom said...

OK guys. I have get some sleep and I'm afraid that given the tenor of the comments, I am going to have to enable comment moderation until the morning.

Good night, and please, please behave yourselves.

11:33 PM  
Blogger R, High School Student said...

Oh, and please, everyone, look at my blog to see the educated public school perspective. Its all analogies, and i think it's crafted very well.
goodnight all

11:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What we actually have here is the majority of the people, who also so happen to kick in the majority of the money in the pot, have the majority of the seats on the board. is that bad? Should the minority of the people, who contribute the smaller portion of the money in the pot, get to sit with the pot? Last time it happened, there was a lot of tea in Boston Harbor.

12:43 AM  
Blogger YMedad said...

There's a mention of your problems in the NYTimes by way of Waterbury's new Orthodox community.

1:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Maybe we could put 50 kids in a classroom with one teacher and the Pre K and Kindergarten maybe put 75 kids in a classroom with a 55 year old teach oh wait we can't do that cause you send your kids to number 4 so we will limit that to 18 kids to a class..But elementry school we will put 45 in a classroom..

10:36 PM

earlier this year board members Kopi and Greeny suggested gathering all the ortho pre-k kids into one location so the poor buses shouldn't get worn out stopping at too many different schools. So maybe you ahve something there....

6:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon:
Let's start to think outside the box about kids in the public school system. In an age of telecommuting and outsources it is not hard to understand that a child does not need to sit in a public school classroom in order to be a part of the public school system. The public school system provides educational and cultural services to all residents of the district. Children that sit in private school classrooms are just as much a part of the public school system as those that sit in public school classrooms. Let's get creative about utilizing the public school resources...e.g. have web conference of high school math that is projected to the private schools. They can watch it live and have a teachers assistant at each location.


Interesting idea - however Lawrence Public Schools does not have the technology to even consider doing anything outside of the box let alone within the box when it comes to using technology. Everything is too old and desperately needs to be updated.

7:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are the toilets really not working? How can this be if there has been a surplus. Funny I go to the monthly board meetings and I never heard this, but if it is true fix the toilets for Pete's sake

9:09 AM  
Blogger scotty said...

I wish there was someone in the community with the authority to tell everyone to cool off and stop the vitriol.

Public School
I wish every responsible community leader and teacher would tell their constituents who are still spewing accusations to stop it and work with the new board.

Private School
I wish every Rabbi would tell those in their congregation who still have an axe to grind to not villainize the public school community and try to have peace with them.

How is continuing these fights helping anyone anymore?

10:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Are the toilets really not working? How can this be if there has been a surplus. Funny I go to the monthly board meetings and I never heard this, but if it is true fix the toilets for Pete's sake


Yes, there are toilets in the students' rest rooms at LHS that are not working.

10:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's get on with the business of improving the public schools and interpersonal relations.

It's time to look and move forward.

11:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the next fight will be amoungst our selves. we will be fighting for which yeshivah will get to take over which of the remaining public schools we will eventually close down.

11:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The election is over. It is what it is. Spewing hatred and pitting neighbor against neighbor isn't going to change that.

Move on and hope that the board does the right thing by both the public and private school children; give them the chance to make good on their promises to be fair and unbiased.

It would be nice if they proved those of us who voted against them wrong.

11:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:32, I do not know if you are "public" or "private", but I do know you are evil. For the last 2 days the rational people who read these comments (and I really do plan to stop reading them) have been pleading to put the hatred behind us and plan on mature conversations and cooperation. But you feel the need to lob in a hand-grenade to stir hatred again.

- A private school parent who would like to see the public schools succeed, as would the vast majority of private school parents.

12:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

EVERYONE I THINK SHOULD MEET ON THE HIGH SHOOL FOOTBALL FIELD AND HANDLE THIS LIKE SOME GENTLEMAN...

12:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:08 PM: Funny comment....

YEARS ago, Lawrence used to play Far Rockaway High School for an annual game. It was kind of fun, as both teams were very strong contenders in their own districts and had some award winning football players.

Well, as time went on, a crowd from each school would meet BEFORE the game and try to duke it out with each other before the game. A few years of that, then the losing team would then go onto the turf of the winning team and duke it out.

After a year or two of this, the Far Rockaway - Lawrence grudge games ended (boy, they were really good too).

Last time I think this happened was the riot at the middle school (then jr. high school) in 1970-71.
Instead of going to the high school, they went to the jr. high school and pulled the fire alarm and then beat the crap out of everyone who evacuated the building.

I wouldn't encourage that kind of behavior if I were you.

12:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Orthomom: Why do you hide? If you believe so strongly that only some deserve a fair education, why don't you want anyone to know who you are?

When I was about eight, growing up (as a JEW) in Cedarhurst, I went with my best friend across the street to play with our friend, an orthodox girl our age. Her father told us she was "doing her homework." About two minutes later, we saw her riding her bike down the street.

What you're doing is alienating everyone but yourselves. I can't even say good morning to an orthodox family and get a reply. Selfishness is turning this community into a racist ghetto. Congratulations.

1:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1:03 PM: OrthoMom has a right to be anonymous, just as much as the rest of us.

Not all Orthodox are racist either.
As a non-orthodox, I take each person on their own merit.

I don't say that there AREN'T racists in the Five Towns that are Orthodox, but you can't group all of them under one umbrella. There are some factions that HATE the others - so it is more of Jew vs. Jew in their own observant community.

1:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

EVERYONE I THINK SHOULD MEET ON THE HIGH SHOOL FOOTBALL FIELD AND HANDLE THIS LIKE SOME GENTLEMAN...

No need - It's all already been gentlemanly resolved at the polls on Tuesday

1:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1:46 PM - That's true. But it may not solve the problems at hand either.

2:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GREAT article about the North Shore Hebrew High School:

http://www.nshahs.org/images/2006-07/media/nytimes-3-18-07.pdf

This is an excellent school that is really blazing the path for education of all Jewish students and have an excellent extracurricular calendar. I would send my children here in a heartbeat if they were school age.

2:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now that the new board has been chosen, what are they going to do for the private and public school children?

2:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
GREAT article about the North Shore Hebrew High School:

http://www.nshahs.org/images/2006-07/media/nytimes-3-18-07.pdf


Check out their new facilities and buildings and grounds and technology etc. and their students' reactions. Then look around at the Lawrence Public Schools. The comparison leaves so much to wish for.

2:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's get on with the business of improving the public schools and interpersonal relations.

It's time to look and move forward.

3:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2:57 PM: You can't compare the private school to a public school. Compare private school to private school.

At $22,000 per pupil (no unions to deal with and salaries much lower), and no daily busing issues to deal with, they are able to afford such a beautiful campus. Plus, Dr. Vitow is first rate - too bad he left HAFTR.

3:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re: North Shore - why no bussing issues? And as far as them affording the campus, they have some heavy hitters making huge donations. The journal from the annual dinner is as fat as the yellow pages. Also, I understand the teachers' salaries are very high.

4:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Still, one can only wish the students in Lawrence had the same opportunities. Talk about equality....

4:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ANTI ORTHO HERE:
Well the vote is over and this is the board we will have at least until next year. I must say that even I agree (for once) with you orthomom that things are getting totally out of control. Nasty comments are one thing right or wrong which ever way you see it, but suggestions of violence are something we cannot and should not have. While I do not see myself getting along with you orthodox until your views change in many ways I would never condone violence in any way. To everyone public,private,ortho,non ortho or whatever we cannot allow our disagreements to come to this. Like it or not the vote cannot be changed and I as well as everyone else can do nothing about that so lets take a deep breath and see what happens. Lets hope that they follow through on their promises and do the right thing for everyone. No more talk of violence or I will just have to kick everyones butt! LOL!!! However I am still at odds with your orthodox religon but wish for PEACE and NO VIOLENCE for everyone. I remain ANTI ORTHO
p.s. the blogs from the lawrence students were the best I have read

4:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ALL CHILDREN means black whites hispanic christian and jews too.. that dont go to your yeshivas.. you know that dont you? that we are all "neighbors" so why ar eyou trying to push everyone else out and trying to control this area.. seriously.. if anyone fractured this community the orthodox did when they took over the board, where now the public schools will get all the consequences because instead of being unselfish you like to be greedy and want the wholleee damnn thing. haha.. you got another thing coming..

time to play ball =]

4:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ok the orthodox do our public schools a favor ,how could we handle 8000+ students,where would we put them all, what would be the size of the budget $ 200,000,000 plus ??

4:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

that would more than double everyone's taxes

4:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

we could not afford to live here

4:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so just send all their kids to the yeshivas. and then take everything from the public schools.. which i know they want to do .. so everything that the public school kids have that make things worth being a kid.. cutting things.. just severs the split evenn more.. so think about what you cut there people...

okay?

4:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That means no Public schools would be necessary as the Orthodox would have their yeshevas

4:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lowering taxes is not such a good thing when it ruins generations of children in their education and experiences of life, you just want to push everyone out of the community, so the community will consist of orthodox and then you wont have these conflicts..even though we all used to get along before.

4:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

haha i agrreeee with the person above me...seriously everythings going towards private schools now its unbearable...lawrence is going down considering theres one public school board member on the board its honostly ridiculous...as you people would put it "lets play some ball"...everything is ruining public schools in lawrence's district...it makes me sick to see kids have 2 go through this crap...unbelievable...makes me so mad...dont worryy cause next time around when" we play ball" i think will win..

4:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is an Orthodox Superintendant just around the Corner

4:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets face it we are now the minority in numbers and kids. We are also getting great prices for our homes. So maybe its not so bad after all.

4:55 PM  
Anonymous  said...

allyou othos are disugusting people. you all should be ashamed of yourselves and your ALL the real racist turing our community from one of the best to one of the worst.

thanks a lot for destroying the schools.

5:09 PM  
Blogger Still Wonderin' said...

I simply cannot believe you idiots are all still here arguing.

Go outside.
Help an old lady cross a street.
Talk to your kids.
Knit a scarf.

Do anything! Just stop this moronic sniping and name calling. It's embarrasing for everyone.

(50 to 1 odds half the people ranting on this site don't even live in the Five Towns)

5:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

EVERYONE I THINK SHOULD MEET ON THE HIGH SHOOL FOOTBALL FIELD AND HANDLE THIS LIKE SOME GENTLEMAN...

12:08 PM

What we have here is a REALY TOUGH ANONIMOUS tough guy.

5:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

u spelt anonymous wrong buddy

6:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SW for President!

6:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've just read two days worth of this vitriol spewing from either side. I'm embarrassed. Private school parents (I am one) should recognize that they are no more inclusive than public school parents. How sad that a child who is not orthodox is not considered "worthy" of playing with your child outside on the street. No one in this neighborhood is worthy of being called a nazi, nor are the orthodox trying to push anyone out. That having been said, there seems to be a real perception that people can't get along with others who are not just like them. I'm glad the people I know in the 5T are not all like that, public school or private. The people who judge others this way, rather than just as people (right, kavod habrios- respect for ALL people) are shocking to me no matter which side of the fence they sit on.

7:36 PM  
Anonymous Public School Father said...

Anonymous said...

the next fight will be amoungst our selves. we will be fighting for which yeshivah will get to take over which of the remaining public schools we will eventually close down.

Other than show what an idiot you are what purpose does a comment like that serve? You should look at some of the more peace seeking olive branch comments and adopt a more peaceful approach and help dismantle this powderkeg of a situation.

8:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now that the election is over, wouldn't it be nice if everyone removed their signs? There is no need to keep them on your property, unless you are of the "na nanny poo poo" ilk. Thank you.

8:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ANTI ORTHO HERE:
Public school father you are 100% right anon 11:32 is an idiot. His or hers comment makes me wonder if it's because they like this controversy because they are so bored with their drab orthodox lifestyle or is it true like a lot of people believe that this is their plan to drive everyone out and take over the neighborhood for themselves. This type of comment keeps everyone on edge. How do we trust them? If it was the other way around they would say we have a pogram to eliminate them from the neighborhood because we are anti-semitic. It shows that the problem is not the neighborhood not wanting them but they do not want us.

9:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For the guy that couldn't spell anonymous did you go to public school or yeshiva

9:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it's not the kids who want to be divided. all the orthodox like 16-21 year olds i've met are just like the rest of us, except that their parents would flip to find out they're at the same parties as public school kids (who're of all religions/all sects of judaism). it isn't their fault that they're raised to mingle only with people who're just like them.

10:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ANTI ANTI ORTHO HERE:

Hey ANTI ORTHO! (and to the others like you)

I forgive you for your bigotry just because you are clueless as to how bigoted you truly are.
Yes you guessed right, I am one of "them" as you so often put it.
I have some great neighbors who happen not to be Jewish. We actually speak to each other and help each other out.
If you were my neighbor, I'm sure that you couldn't get past my being one of "them".
I do pity you for the animosity that you have to carry around with yourself.

Get some therapy, and “Get Well Soon”!

Yours Truly,
"One of Them"
ANTI ANTI ORTHO

10:43 PM  
Blogger DAG said...

Is it safe to say that this debate is REALLY about money...nothing else?

11:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
For the guy that couldn't spell anonymous did you go to public school or yeshiva

9:58 PM

Sorry for the misspell, forgot to use spellcheck.
I went to both. It has nothing to do with the actual schools. I was just a lazy student.

11:15 PM  
Anonymous goyguy said...

DAG said...11:12 PM

Is it safe to say that this debate is REALLY about money...nothing else?

Yes

12:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is an orthodox superintendent just around the corner? Could he/she do any worse than Fizsimmons. Time to clean house and put in an administration that will do their job-improving the educational quality in the oublic schools.

If the future BOE tackles bringing the facilities up to par, invests in technology will that be a bad thing? Let's let them govern and see what happens before we speculate what they will not do.

8:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

is it true like a lot of people believe that this is their plan to drive everyone out and take over the neighborhood for themselves

You phobia assumes some mass organizied group and that all the orthos agrre with each other. Thats not happening.

8:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to 4:46 pm there are seven members of the Board of Education, each elected by the majority in their respective elections to represent the diverse interest in the community. Hopefully for the last time, when the oath of office is taken there is no separate oath for those who have sent their children to public or private school. There is no separate oath for those who have no children at all. Please stop stereotyping people.

8:55 AM  
Anonymous 1132 anon said...

i was just stating the inevitable

11:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's get on with the business of improving the public schools and interpersonal relations.

It's time to look and move forward.

1:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a democracy. An elections purpose is to determine the will of the majority. Anybody who thinks they're going to win an election by advocating disenfranchising the majority is out of their mind.
All I can say to all those who enclose themselves into ideological boxes based on preconceived notions of what a school board is about, is: A school board is for all the children of the community not for one segment or the other, If the paradigm changes than the previous model is meaningless and we have to proceed based on the current circumstances.

2:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Granted, our children might not have experienced cuts to their programs, but neither have they experienced additions to their curriculum either. At one time in recent history, the Lawrence school district was on the cutting edge of education in the nation and considered a school of excellence. Now, we are barely holding on to what we have. Where are the innovative programs to help our children succeed in their education and prepare them for college and the lives ahead of them in this increasingly competitive world? Why those programs are not here...they are being discussed and adopted in other districts on Long Island. This community does not value public school education as in other communities as was demonstrated by the recent election results.

6:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really love that "they can't beat us, so they might as well play ball with us"-Marcus

We'd be more willing to work with you if you were actually willing to help the children. You say you want to work with the neighbors, when you're all completely taking winning to a whole new level, making jokes on who lost. If you really cared about the kids, you wouldn't care so much if you're people win. No one is really thinking about us kids and its not fair, it's just a big political race to see who can win over the community. Get over yourselves and REALLY do whats right for the kids.

6:30 PM  

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