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Monday, June 05, 2006

Teacher-Tolerated Anti-Semitism in our Public Schools?

In the recent local school board elections, the battle lines seemed to have been drawn precisely between the public school and private school communities. And the bulk of the often euphemistically termed "private school community" out here is Orthodox. Many in the community had been worried, in the wake of the private school agenda sweeping the elections, about an anti-Orthodox backlash. Though I have heard much anecdotal evidence of that rising anti-Orthodox sentiment in recent weeks, none so eloquently - and seemingly agendaless - as this op-ed piece from the local paper. Written by a local Lawrence public school atendee, Ilana Yurkiewicz, she rightly condemns such blanket intolerance as being unacceptable, whatever the underlying motivations may stem from:
The budget vote. One of the most - if not the most - important days in the Lawrence school district each year. Since the Lawrence budget had been defeated for the past three years, forcing the district to adopt an austerity budget, it is understandable this this year's vote incited strong opinions among both teachers and students.
In the weeks prior to the vote, the budget seemed to be on everyone's mind. Flyers, stickers, and mere word-of-mouth tried to persuade the uncommitted. In the classic public vs. private predicament we face every May, proponents of each side criticized the other through the spoken and the writen word.
As Election Day drew nearer - and passions grew more agitated - something about the nature of the discussions changed. Comments about the "private sector" waned while those about "the Jews" grew. It had finally happened; the classic public vs. private scenario had been replaced by something much, much worse.
Us vs. The Jews.
"Don't drop your money, the Jews are here today," mocked one Lawrence student, to the amusement of the class.
"An Orthodox parked in my spot," another complained on Election Day. "Jews voting down a budget - very typical," said another. For these students, the battle of the budget was now a battle of religion.
I know; I was there; I heard it.
Just imagine if someone has said "don't drop your watermelon, the blacks are here today." Or a similar outrageous comment about Hispanics, Muslims or any other group. Needless to say, such comments would be vehemently condemned. From when we were in elementary school, we've always been taught that any form of stereotyping is wrong; we learned tolerance along with our ABC's.
Apparently, there are exceptions. Now, tolerance is secondary to budgetary concerns.
Ironically, much of the anti-Semitic words came from Jews - the only difference between them and those they mocked being degree of religiosity. Even worse, the blatant anti-Semitic comments were dismissed, under the guise of pre-election rhetoric. I did not hear one teacher say "This is wrong - don't ever say it again." In fact, no one even acknowledged such comments as what they were - anti-Semitic. They at best ignored them, and at worst, laughed along.
I know; I was there; I heard it.
Has the threat of austerity become so great as to allow for anti-Semitism? Or are such anti-Jewish comments the reslt of a long conflict between two diferent segments of the community? The answer is: it doesn't matter. Anti-Semitism is anti-Semitism, no matter how hard some may try to rationalize their disdainful remarks in light of the election.
I know what the teachers reading this are thinking. "I never heard this - if I had, I surely would have said something!" Such after-the-fact banalities are meaningless. The fact is that several anti-Jewish remarks were expressed in classrooms, in front of teachers, with no repercussions.
I know; I was there: I heard it.
We'd all like to believe high school kids are smart enough to say and do the right thing. Hopefully, the next budget vote will be based on factual and reasonable debate rather than biased discourse. Until then, everyone needs to pull their heads out of the sand and take some responsibilty for their actions.
Or rather, lack thereof.
(Background post)

45 Comments:

Blogger Scraps said...

[applause]

10:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our communities love to delude ourselves into thinking that "they" don't understand our true motives. "They" are smart enough to recognize that we are only out for what is good for ourselves, even if it is to the detriment of the greater community where we live. A case in point is the recent result in the School Board election in Clifton, NJ (basically, Passaic). The Board is thinking about putting a school in a park in the frum area. Of course, the frum were out front and center opposing the plan, even though overcrowding is out of control and other options have been looked at for years. The backlash was so strong that all the pro-park candidates won handily, outpacing all expectations, while the frum supported candidates crashed and burned. A school board member was also criticized for making an "anti-semetic" statement during the campaign. The bottom line is that "they" recognize that since we are not affected by "their" problems we therefore, don't care about the greater community. "They" know that we are not voting based upon an open-minded analysis of the issues so I don't blame them at all for being bitter.

11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon, I think the point here is that's there's bitter, and there's intolerant. And even a student who is directly affected by the vote can be honest here and call intolerance when she sees it.

11:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon, I think the point here is that's there's bitter, and there's intolerant. And even a student who is directly affected by the vote can be honest here and call intolerance when she sees it.

11:32 AM  
Anonymous CBS said...

I live in Passaic, didn't know that there was going to be an election until we got something in the mail and realized the date fell out on Chol HaMoed. So we sent away for an absentee ballot - which arrived after Pesach started (and we were already out of town) - I don't think you can blame the "crash and burn" solely on the backlash - you have to take into account all those who might have voted if not for the scheduled date (and unlike the Lakewood elections, there did not appear to be an alternate way to get the ballot without going to Paterson in person)

5:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's see. They make snide remarks about "the Jews". We make snide remarks about "goyische kup" and "schvartzes" - but that's ok, because it's not anti-semitic.
We just love being victims, don't we? But us as victimizers? Chas viShalom! It's ok for us to want to cut their programs, but they better not touch our busing! It's ok for us to call them anti-semites when they deny our kids special services, ignoring the many kids in our community who do get special services and the many kids in their community who are also denied special services. And so what if we attack their budgets, their competence, their basic decency? They're not supposed to respond - just as we wouldn't respond if they attacked us!
Actually, we've taken a page from the book of another delusional ethnic group that expects benevolence from those that it attacks. The Palestinians also expect Israel to provide them with jobs while they plant bombs in Israeli theatres and restaurants.
We've lost the art of compromise, the ability to ignore, not pursue, every slight and injury, rather than seeking to produce a more viable, long-lasting communal harmony. But I'm still hopeful that, someday, we'll finally grow up.

6:49 PM  
Blogger orthomom said...

Um..anon? The article was written by a public school student. Hard to view it as an attempt to play the victim. But you just enjoy comparing the private school community to Palestinians. Very reasonable of you to compare forcing the public schools to operate on a budget closer to that of every other school district in the State to...suicide bombings that kill scores of innocent victims.

7:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sounds like Yaakov Gross has entered the room

(so much for productive dialogue)

7:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Momof4 - It sounds like a private school parent or student has written an article akin to that written by the public school student. And what does the bloated budget have to do with what either of them are saying? They're saying that we've become intolerant of each other. True or not?

7:20 PM  
Blogger orthomom said...

Please. The outcome of this vote down had nothing to do with intolerance of anything BUT a bloated budget.

7:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Momof4 - Changing the subject? Are you saying that there's intolerance in the public school community but none in the private school community? That was the point of the comment you challenged.

7:39 PM  
Blogger orthomom said...

Intolerance?? Toward the public school community on the part of the private school community? I actually think that it does not exist, and it certainly has nothing to do with what is going on here. The comment is very clearly attempting to draw a parallel between the actions of the private school community (voting down budgets) to the intolerance being described by a public school student toward the orthodox community. And I think that is not a valid parallel to draw.

7:55 PM  
Blogger Krum as a bagel said...

We make snide remarks about "goyische kup" and "schvartzes" - but that's ok, because it's not anti-semitic

True but completely irrelevant. No one is claiming that Orthodox Jews are beyond reproach. But the post is about the budget vote. And I haven't heard anyone claim that Orthodox Jews made racial, or anti-gentile or non-O comments in connection with the budget vote. So what's your point?

8:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Krum - really? I thought the heading of the post was "Teacher-Tolerated Anti-Semitism in our Public Schools?" This post has nothing to do with the budget and everything to do with intolerance. You and momof4 are trying, unsuccessfully, to skirt anon's point - that the private school parents are living in glass houses and throwing stones, that they're denouncing intolerance in others while practicing it themselves, that they're demanding of others what they themselves are not prepared to do. Put it simply: they're better at making war than making friends. It works well in District 15 where they're the majority, but it costs them in District 14 and elsewhere where they're not. If they made friends rather than enemies they'd have more influence. And I always thought that was what religion was all about. Little did I know...

10:22 PM  
Blogger orthomom said...

You and momof4 are trying, unsuccessfully, to skirt anon's point - that the private school parents are living in glass houses and throwing stones, that they're denouncing intolerance in others while practicing it themselves, that they're demanding of others what they themselves are not prepared to do.

Again, your point, and the other anon's, is not only ridiculous, but wrong. I guarantee that if a student from a Yeshiva High School were to speak out that his/her teachers are encouraging intolerance against the public school community or others, you would see the same condemnation from me as you see from me here. I call 'em like I see 'em. That intolerance may or may not exist in the Orthodox community is not in any way relevant to the question of whether public school teachers implicitly encouraged anti-Orthodox comments and sentiment among their students. And the answer seems to be, from the piece I quoted, an unequivocal "yes".

10:31 PM  
Blogger Krum as a bagel said...

You and momof4 are trying, unsuccessfully, to skirt anon's point - that the private school parents are living in glass houses and throwing stones, that they're denouncing intolerance in others while practicing it themselves, that they're demanding of others what they themselves are not prepared to do.

Which "private school parents" are "denouncing intolerance in others while practicing it themselves"? The writer of the article, Ilana Yurkiewicz, an LPS student?!? Orthomom? Who is "they" exactly? You are engaging in the worst type of sterotyping imaginable. It's sickening.

10:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The article written by Ilana was in the Lawrence school newspaper in an attempt to show how wrong the teachers are in tolerating anti-semitic talk by some of the students.

No doubt you see an oblique connection to the recent budget vote, and highlight this article in an attempt to show how wrong the other side is.
Have you seen in any yeshiva student publication or in any local jewish newspaper an article by a yeshiva student protesting the blatant anti-racist (Schvartze and Goyish) statements made daily by Rebeim in yeshivos?
Have you ever addressed this issue in any of your blogs? Perhaps you ought to talk to your son to see how real this issue is and how his mind is constantly being poisoned.
Clean your own house first before you go after secular teachers in a public schhol. After all--you are "Kedoshim TiYhu".

10:47 PM  
Blogger orthomom said...


Anonymous said...

The article written by Ilana was in the Lawrence school newspaper in an attempt to show how wrong the teachers are in tolerating anti-semitic talk by some of the students


And I think it is wrong as well.

No doubt you see an oblique connection to the recent budget vote, and highlight this article in an attempt to show how wrong the other side is.

No. I see it for what it is. An act of breathtaking inappropriateness on behalf of teachers, those who should be encouraging proper behavior and tolerance.

Have you seen in any yeshiva student publication or in any local jewish newspaper an article by a yeshiva student protesting the blatant anti-racist (Schvartze and Goyish) statements made daily by Rebeim in yeshivos?

Uh, as I said above. No. But as soon as I do, I will give it equal billing to this post, don't worry.

Have you ever addressed this issue in any of your blogs? Perhaps you ought to talk to your son to see how real this issue is and how his mind is constantly being poisoned.

Clean your own house first before you go after secular teachers in a public schhol. After all--you are "Kedoshim TiYhu".


Speak for your own children. I have not yet encountered this "mind-poisoning" you speak of. Had I, I would not have hesitated to post on it. Any of my regular readers are well aware of my penchant for calling 'em like I see 'em - especially when it comes to my own community. I am the first to cast stones, and the first to excoriate our community for not cleaning its own house. That does NOT by any means, take away my right to criticize others for appalling behavior.

I will continue to do so as I see fit.

11:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If only momof4 and krum could see how ugly their smugness and self-righteousness appears to so many others, Jew and non-Jew, Orthodox and non-Orthodox. Anon, give it up. It is endemic to our community. You won't change them.

12:08 AM  
Blogger Goy Guy said...

"Intolerance?? Toward the public school community on the part of the private school community? I actually think that it does not exist, and it certainly has nothing to do with what is going on here."


You're kidding, right? Maybe not on your part. But when some Orthodox voters are quoted leaving the polls saying that "our kids don't go to school there so I really don't care", printed in the paper for all to see, I don't know how you can take that position. I find it interesting that you look at voters in the Orthodox community as all having a like mind on this or any issue.

Should the world judge the local Orthodox community based on the feelings of a few? The way you let the remarks of some dopey high school kids and the behavior of some equally dopey or spineless teachers look like some big backlash of rising anti-Orthodox sentiment ? I personally find both sets of remarks somewhat upsetting yet not suprising. At least they are up front about their feelings, as much as many of us may not agree, and not hiding behind some politically correct double speak. I would rather have the enemy where I can see them ;-)

It has everything to do with what's going on here. It's just not the ONLY thing.

Face the facts. There are some "private school" parents who would vote down the budget if it were a dollar. The same holds true for some parents who's kids are grown. Or people with no kids. Or people struggling to crack that nut every month. Or people who are gay....etc.

And don't think that many people NOT in the "private school set" aren't glad to see some new faces in charge, and maybe some belt tightening. We all hate paying taxes that we feel are being wasted, which is almost always the case. Everywhere.

And certainly some "private school" parents voted FOR the budget in appreciation of the services they do receive and would like to continue to receive.

People vote the way they do for a variety of reasons, idealistic, selfish, spiteful, economic, the candidate is cute, whatever.


"The comment is very clearly attempting to draw a parallel between the actions of the private school community (voting down budgets) to the intolerance being described by a public school student toward the orthodox community. And I think that is not a valid parallel to draw."


There aren't intolerant, biased, racist people to be found on each on each of the many sides of this issue? Give me a break. People like that are everywhere.

SOME "private school" folks couldn't care less if the public school system disappeared. SOME "public school" people will blame every percieved problem that the schools face from now on as the fault of "those people", from a stained ceiling tile to a bad season for the basketball team.

SO WHAT? That's politics, which is all this comes down to. People fighting for a bigger taste of the tax dollar on someone elses dime. A time honored American tradition. Politics is a dirty rotten no holds barred business. Stirring up racial or religious bias for political reasons is done everywhere. Because it works. Because some people are already selfish and biased and mean and quite frankly it's just so darn easy to do. This will always be so.

When I saw the above story in the Herald last week I was with a buddy of mine and we both commented on how bold the girl and the editor of the paper were, because trouble was sure to follow. As it should. And I believe every unfortunate word of it. Just like I believe the unfortunate comments heard outside the polls. We all have to realize that some of our neighbors are intolerant and misinformed. Just ignore them and call it a day. But don't pretend they aren't there.

1:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

momof4
you have never encountered the mind poison racist remarks made by rebeim.
Sounds just like Yeshiva Torah Temimah who never encountered a rebbi who sexually abused kids.
It's real.
It happens every day!
Maybe you ought to start talking to some kids and not blogs.

7:57 AM  
Blogger orthomom said...




There aren't intolerant, biased, racist people to be found on each on each of the many sides of this issue? Give me a break. People like that are everywhere.


Of COURSE they are. But as I said a few times above, that's not the point of this post. This post is about, as the title suggests. "teacher-tolerated intolerance in our public schools". AndI don't like it.

8:07 AM  
Blogger orthomom said...

Anonymous said...

momof4
you have never encountered the mind poison racist remarks made by rebeim.
Sounds just like Yeshiva Torah Temimah who never encountered a rebbi who sexually abused kids.
It's real.
It happens every day!
Maybe you ought to start talking to some kids and not blogs.


Um, really. My kids NEVER came home quoting racist remarks that they heard from their Rebbes. Maybe it really does happen in certain Yeshivas "every day", as you claim, but, thank God, not in my kids' Yeshivas - at least not in my kids' classrooms.

8:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First, I think the student that wrote that article should be commended...she is wise beyond her years.

Second, Momof4, you can sit back and claim the vote was just about a "bloated budget" but you're fooling no one. I heard the conversations among my neighbors, both private and public.

Sadly, no one knew a single fact going into this election. And that's the fault of the schools. People were voting down public and private lines.....that's it. It had more to do with one's religion and where we send our children then how we felt about teacher contracts or busing.

One does NOT have to spew racist remarks to have racist feelings inside. Maybe our Rebbes aren't teaching children the hateful words to use....but are they doing everything they can to keep the hateful feelings from their hearts?

We all idly sit back and make our goyische and schvartzes comments in passing. That makes us worse than others. At least a true "racist" doesn't try to hide their racist views. I think many of us are.....

9:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

momof4 -
I love your comment, "that's not the point of this post. This post is about, as the title suggests. "teacher-tolerated intolerance in our public schools". And I don't like it." But I'm sure you do like motherhood and apple pie.
I'm reminded of the old story about President Landis of Harvard, a noted anti-semite, who tried to limit Jews' admission to his school to their percentage among the US population. He noted, "Jews cheat", and when somebody pointed out that ALL students cheat, Landis responded, "yes, but we're talking about the Jews." So, momof4, I get it: Public school parents/teachers make insensitive, intolerant remarkds. So do private school parents and teachers. But, of course, we're only talking about the public schools.

11:23 AM  
Anonymous jerusalemom said...

I'm as far away I one could get from this whole tug of war, but, from what I've read, I agree with the others. To think that Jewish intolerence has nothing to do with the discussion, and nothing to do with how the non-Jews/public school community reacted is a bit ostrich-like.

12:17 PM  
Blogger Conservative Apikoris said...

Written by a local Lawrence public school atendee, Ilana Yurkiewicz,

Why did you refer to Ms. Yurkiewicz as an "attendee?" Perhoas you (subconciously, I hope) believe that young people who choose to attend public schools don't deserve the dignity of the word "student?"

1:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm as far away I one could get from this whole tug of war, but, from what I've read, I agree with the others. To think that Jewish intolerence has nothing to do with the discussion, and nothing to do with how the non-Jews/public school community reacted is a bit ostrich-like.

The crapiness of the logic expressed in many of the comments is truly astounding. No. Intolerance that may exist on the part of the O community (and all we have heard here is anecdotal evidence of that intolerance) does NOT justify prejudice against them. Prejudice -- i.e., making blanket negative statements about a group of people (which is what is apparently going on at LHS) -- of any sort is wrong. Period.

The only relevance these assertions can possibly have is to support a claim that the person making these allegations is a hyprocrite by being guilty of the same. But as anyone who reads this blog knows, OM is the first to shone a light onto her own community when appropriate. In fact in this post --

http://orthomom.blogspot.com/2006/02/racist-or-reasonable.html

-- does just that with respect to the issue at hand. And today, she criticized her fellow Orthodox Five Towners for being insufficiently sensitive to the lifestyles of their non-Orthodox neighbors.

4:09 PM  
Blogger Goy Guy said...

momof4

You said above- " that's not the point of this post.This post is about, as the title suggests. "teacher-tolerated intolerance in our public schools". And I don't like it."

Intolerance in the community may not be the subject of your POST. But it is the ONLY point of the article you posted. That's a very Bill Clinton like distinction.

"In the weeks prior to the vote, the budget seemed to be on everyone's mind. Flyers, stickers, and mere word-of-mouth tried to persuade the uncommitted. In the classic public vs. private predicament we face every May, proponents of each side criticized the other through the spoken and the writen word.
As Election Day drew nearer - and passions grew more agitated - something about the nature of the discussions changed. Comments about the "private sector" waned while those about "the Jews" grew. It had finally happened; the classic public vs. private scenario had been replaced by something much, much worse.
Us vs. The Jews."

What part of "US vs. THE JEWS" am I not interpreting correctly? I think that's the whole thing in a nutshell right there.

Teacher-tolerated intolerance in our public schools seems to be the only part of this story that bothers you. I respectfully submit that you take the advise of the wise Miss Yurkiewicz and take your head out of the sand.

12:17 AM  
Anonymous sick of this stupidity said...


Teacher-tolerated intolerance in our public schools seems to be the only part of this story that bothers you. I respectfully submit that you take the advise of the wise Miss Yurkiewicz and take your head out of the sand.


You're nuts. Do you read OM's blog? She points out bad bahavior on the part the orthodox all the time. She is the last one to have her head in the sand. Your point is ridiculous. She is totally allowed to choose a specific topic for a post. Just because YOU feel that there is intolerance in the Orthododx community doesn't mean that OM can't paste this piece. If that is the assertion here, that OM cant post this piece because she hasn't personally weeded out every form of intolerance in her own community, then you are as faulty with you logig as some of the other commenters upthread.

I don't see you condemnation of the teachers actions!!!!

Where is it, Goy Guy?

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

You criticize OM for not pointing out intolerance in her own community before she quotes someone saying that teachers are behaving terribly in our public schools (which is relevant to EVERY SINGLE TAXPAYER IN THIS DISTRICT, whether Orthodox or not) yet you have yet to issue a proper condemnation.

If you continue to make it about "don't condemn us until you condemn yourself", YOU are continuing to not heed Ms. Yurkiewicz's sage advice to STOP MAKING IT ABOUT US VS. THEM.

This problem with the teachers in public school isn't about one segment of the community. This is about teachers, paid by taxpayers, acting badly.

OM has no requirement to post about alleged intolerance among her co-religionists, no m ore than she has to post about the taunting my son received oin the park yesterday from a group of Lawrence Middle School students who said "Thanks for screwing us!", and other anti-O remarks I've heard about in the aftermath of the election.

Yes, some points are stand-alone. That's how things work.

9:57 AM  
Blogger Goy Guy said...

"Intolerance?? Toward the public school community on the part of the private school community? I actually think that it does not exist, and it certainly has nothing to do with what is going on here."

Excuuuuse me.... I was responding to the above statement by momof4 which is not on the topic of teachers now, it it?

Below are my comments from my previous post. I called the teachers involved dopey, spineless and the enemy. Apology accepted.

"...you let the remarks of some dopey high school kids and the behavior of some EQUALLY DOPEY OR SPINELESS TEACHERS look like some big backlash of rising anti-Orthodox sentiment ? I personally find both sets of remarks somewhat upsetting yet not suprising. At least they are up front about their feelings, as much as many of us may not agree, and not hiding behind some politically correct double speak. I would rather have the enemy where I can see them ;-)

I'm not making it Us vs Them. I was remarking on the PROBLEM being the US vs THEM mentality some misguided folks seem to be infected with. On BOTH sides.

And speaking of spineless teachers I see that Mr Clements the teachers union mouthpiece has seen fit to get a letter published in todays Herald criticizing the piece last week by Miss Yurkiewicz and defending his teachers and denying what she wrote happened. What a jerk.

9:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay,
I am going to do something very unique not blame the budget for a child who should get soap in his mouth. I don't care what religion or race you are, we as a community cannot and should not tolerate any comments on that level Let us look at this at face value, unless we were there.... In saying that the schools that educate the children of our community should lay it on the line, we will not tolerate this kind of behavior. If we do not work together on this we will have more problems. Our children need to know there are many types of people who choose to worship differently. We should not blame all our problems on such a group. Sound familiar. I think we can all agree. Teachers, start to listen and if you hear anything it is up to you to act!

11:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More important how sad is it that our children have to write about the budget at all, what are we doing to our kids>>>>>>

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Blogger Goy Guy said...

Anonymous said...

More important how sad is it that our children have to write about the budget at all, what are we doing to our kids>>>>>>

I think it's important for kids to know/learn/write about politics. After all this girl WILL be eligible to vote next year, if not already. Maybe she'll be one of the few voters who pays attention.

What I do hate though, is when the schools where I live do these little brainwashing things to the kids around budget time. To make it so that if the kid hears the parents talking about voting, and maybe voting NO, that they are mean to kids or something. Not just cheap ;-)

oops,I mean not just careful taxpayers...

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