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Sunday, September 17, 2006

I. Hate. Homework.

Who doesn't hate homework? Parents and students alike? I can't tell you how many discussions I've had with friends and colleagues regarding the travails we suffer due to the loads of homework that students (and their parents) are leveled with. I'll never forget how shocked I was when my oldest started coming home with homework every night in pre-kindergarten. It was only a quick sheet a night, but I guess it was just preparing us for kindergarten, when they really started to sock it to us. The dual curriculum is hard enough for small children, especially considering the long hours that makes up a Yeshiva school day. But I really have come to resent the enormous outlay of my time that doing homework with three school-age kids unfortunately demands.

Let me tell you, the last thing I want to force my kids to do after they have sat in a classroom for most of the daylight hours is sit down and do yet more schoolwork. Especially those children that resist it, and for whom homework becomes an oppositional issue (who doesn't have at least one of those?). And my take on the matter has always been that I have never seen an appreciable difference in how much learning my kids are able to glean from the teachers that give large homework loads vs. those teachers who are more sparing in their giving of assignments.

Well, turns out that studies back up that assertion. From Time magazine:
• According to a 2004 national survey of 2,900 American children conducted by the University of Michigan, the amount of time spent on homework is up 51% since 1981.

• Most of that increase reflects bigger loads for little kids. An academic study found that whereas students ages 6 to 8 did an average of 52 min. of homework a week in 1981, they were toiling 128 min. weekly by 1997. And that's before No Child Left Behind kicked in. An admittedly less scientific poll of parents conducted this year for AOL and the Associated Press found that elementary school students were averaging 78 min. a night.

• The onslaught comes despite the fact that an exhaustive review by the nation's top homework scholar, Duke University's Harris Cooper, concluded that homework does not measurably improve academic achievement for kids in grade school. That's right: all the sweat and tears do not make Johnny a better reader or mathematician.

• Too much homework brings diminishing returns. Cooper's analysis of dozens of studies found that kids who do some homework in middle and high school score somewhat better on standardized tests, but doing more than 60 to 90 min. a night in middle school and more than 2 hr. in high school is associated with, gulp, lower scores.

Great. All of this struggling for negligible returns. Truthfully, I would like to see these studies get into the hands of my children's teachers and administrators. Because it's one thing if I'm torturing my children to do homework and getting some gains. But to take away their precious free time and make the home a battleground over their right to decompress after a long day in class - all for no measurable improvement? Can someone please explain it to me??

I don't even have any objection to unconventional homework assignments. You want me to sit down with my son and research some interesting topic for science class, from resources he doesn't have access to in school? Great. You want my daughter to pick a book from a list and read 20 minutes a night of it? Awesome. You expect my son to count how many green beans I prepared for supper and then ask him to calculate a fraction based how many get eaten vs. how many I served? Cool. Those take into account that different aspects of learning are found interesting by different students - and it also differentiates the methods of learning used in school from those used at home. But the endless math problems, the copying and recopying of spelling lists, and the constant memorization of English translation of Hebrew passages is just unimaginative and frankly, painful.

Anyone up for a call for homework reform in our schools?

61 Comments:

Blogger OrthoMomsBiggestFan said...

Pow - How about the Orthomom reference in the NY Times Saturday in the vitriolic story on us Ortho's/School Board! Cant wait to hear the comments on this story!!

11:52 AM  
Blogger orthomom said...

OrthoMomsBiggestFan said...

Pow - How about the Orthomom reference in the NY Times Saturday in the vitriolic story on us Ortho's/School Board! Cant wait to hear the comments on this story!!


Um, OBMF? You don't have to wait to hear the comments on the story. All you have to do is scroll down two posts.

12:10 PM  
Blogger The Town Crier said...

One more reason the Yeshiva System sucks, and doesnt work.

12:16 PM  
Blogger orthomom said...

The Town Crier said...

One more reason the Yeshiva System sucks, and doesnt work

Actually, I think that's unfair. The colleagues that I am referring to who complain alongside me are mostly public school parents. This affliction of too much homework seems to be somehwat universal, unfortunately.

12:23 PM  
Blogger MDmom said...

what bothers me the most is when my children can't complete their assignments without my help. they should be able to do this on their own, as homework is supposed to be a review of the day's lesson, and not something brand new that i have to teach them at the dining room table. i'm not home-schooling ya know. and i'm a teacher myself. i teach a single subject, only a few times a week for the grades i have so homework for my class is necessary to maintain continuity. but, i do not give more than 10 minutes, and never new material. this is an ongoing issue that i take up with my children's teachers every year.

1:19 PM  
Anonymous mycroft said...

Homework should be abolished. Projects-especially science projects are plagarisome jobs or parents and their friends doing it.
Teach what you can in school-even if day goes to 6-then free at last free at last thank...

1:21 PM  
Blogger Scraps said...

I hated homework for all my years of school. I found that spending hours a night doing stupid busywork didn't help me learn any better, and it just made me more frustrated and unhappy with academics in general.

1:56 PM  
Anonymous Lawrence Resident said...

You know part of this has to do with taking HW into our own hands.
At least for math (I teach math in HS) when my kids had endless addition/subtraction or other drills, if they could do the first 10 problems in the sheet correctly I told them to take out a calculator to finish the page.
I am not sure if there is a way to translate that to English homework, but that is what I did for those endless math pages. And if the child can't do the 10 problems then you need to address that (either teach it to them, get a tutor or whatever).
Personally I tell my students not to spend more than 20 minutes on the Math HW each night.

6:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everyone acknowledges that dumping tons of homework on children has diminishing returns. The reason there is so much homework is because most people who teach at the compulsory level, and administrators at the compulsory level, are miserable bitter people who have failed at life. This is the reason that it wont be changed even though everyone knows how useless it is.

Its really disgusting how they take it out on children and parents.

8:29 PM  
Blogger Krum as a bagel said...

I would just make the limited pointignored in the article and in the comments thus far: homework is especially important for yeshiva students for a couple of reasons:
-Yeshiva students are ultimately expected to be able to learn independently, i.e., "make a leining." This skill cannot be developed without spending lots of time learning outside of a classroom context.
-Torah learning is expected to be an end in and of itself (l'shmah). It's not just a matter of learning and mastering particular subject matter, but also devoting free time to Torah study with their parents. Agree with it or not, this is a value that Yeshivas seek to inculcate within their students and can only be accomplished by requiring study outside of school.

9:18 PM  
Blogger The Town Crier said...

This affliction of too much homework seems to be somehwat universal, unfortunately.

Except the public school children leave school between 2:30 and 4pm.
Not post 5:30 and on. One of the most insane practices of yeshivas, especially the high boys schools with holy mishmars, you get kids first getting home at 9pm to start their crapload of homework.

9:23 PM  
Blogger SephardiLady said...

I didn't have a lot of homework until about 4th grade in the "honors" program. Before that, there was none, but I was in a different type of school.

Some of the homework was valuable. Some of the homework was inconsiderate of the parents because it got them overinvolved, either because it was too challenging or because it required them to go out shopping for some supply (wow did my mother have a lot to say about that!). And, some of the homework was just plain useless (i.e. wordfinds). The only homework my parents ever did for me was an occassional wordfind when I was wasting a complete day that was better spend riding my bike around the neighborhood or practicing piano or something else.

9:55 PM  
Blogger SephardiLady said...

Another problem, at least for driven students, is that over half the school day (maybe three-quarters) is WASTED through misbehavior. So, much of the learning that could have and should have taken place in school didn't and students that actually want to learn need to go home and teach themselves the material.

9:57 PM  
Anonymous bsci said...

There's good and bad homework, but frankly, most of college is homework. A class is 3 hours of lecture per week and you are expected to learn additional material and do creative assigments on your own.

Busywork is annoying, but homework should extend the material learned in class. That probably best prepares for both yeshiva and college. Granted this isn't necessary in elementary school, but for 10-12 grade, this is what prepares for lifelong learning.

1:00 AM  
Anonymous onionsoupmix said...

if they could do the first 10 problems in the sheet correctly I told them to take out a calculator to finish the page.

First of all, the above is a great idea. Speaking as a teacher and an administrator, I would completely agree with the calculator thing.

Busywork as pointed out earlier, is not very useful and cool projects are much more motivating and interesting.
At the same time, keep in mind that the average American child watches how many hours of TV a day ? Two ? Three ? Four? So I am not sure that an extra half hour of busy sheets is going to be all that damaging. If your child is one of the blessed few that plays outside or goes with Mommy to a museum, yeah, have them take out the calculator after the first few problems.

1:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And another thing. Don't you feel like when school staff says "Homework isn't for parents", they're really saying "all the other parents are doing their kids HW, so you should too!!"?

7:05 AM  
Blogger Jameel @ The Muqata said...

Truthfully, I would like to see these studies get into the hands of my children's teachers and administrators.

Is this a homework assignment for the teachers?

While not a fan of homework in the slightest, and I recall many years of doing homework on the bus to school (seperate seating on the bus of course), the homework problems in which I had to write out the question AND the answer (copying the question from the book) definitely helped prepare me for the upcoming tests...

Now if kids would have to BLOG their homework -- that would be creative.

9:07 AM  
Blogger Scraps said...

Personally, I wasn't a big TV watcher while I was in school. I watched some in elementary/middle school, but only rarely in high school--the TV was put away and hardly ever brought out, except for the rare sick day. So all the extra hours of busywork were for naught...

10:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Homework in and of itself is not a bad thing. It IS importmant to reinforce what was learned in shool. The problem only arises when too much of it is given. I am only starting out in the whole homework thing (as a parent) because my daughter is now starting first grade, but I see what my friends go through with their kids. I see some fourth graders are sitting for 2 hours at the table doing homework. After 8 hours at a desk I think that is criminal. The kids don't get home until almost 5 after leaving the house at 7:30. When is there any time for a kid to be a kid...let off some steam? I'm not saying kids need time to watch TV...they need time to just be. Play some ball, something. It's not like there is so much time in school to be active. I can go on and on, but I don't want to get all worked up now. I just think it's terrible.

10:37 AM  
Blogger WriterGrrl said...

We're having big homework issues with our first grader this year, but we're also not about to go quietly into the night. I have spoken to the school director several times already, and the issues are being resolved, albeit more slowly than I would like.

My second grader is coming home with more Judaic and Hebrew homework than I would like to see her doing -- and, and, like, NO secular hw -- but we are more or less able to handle it so far. If, however, it starts to take her more than a reasonable amount of time daily, I'll speak up.

Look, sometimes, it's just about being able to call your BFFs and say, "Holy CRAP this is not how I wanted to spend the afternoon -- I thought I had, in fact, COMPLETED the first and second grades." And sometimes that's all you need, to get it off your chest and know you're not the only one annoyed by what's going on. But if you truly believe that your kid has too much homework, then you MUST contact the school, either on your own, or with other parents, and you must continue to innundate them with phone calls, letters, and drop-ins until the situation changes.

We recently had friends staying by us, and their kids are in 5th and 6th grade, I think. And they had INSANE amounts of homework every night. If I were their mother, I would not simply sit around complaining to my friends -- I'd be in the director's office with a signed letter from all the parents explaining that NO WAY NO HOW is my kid going to complete 3-4 hours worth of homework nightly. If the teacher isn't capable of giving meaningful assignments that TEACH in class, then hire new teachers, or I'll pull my kids out and homeschool them. And since I've done that in the past, I'm not afraid to do it again.

10:51 AM  
Blogger jlmkobi said...

great piece
first of all the studies (at least as reported) are not complete. if someone reports 15 minutes a night of homework - that is probably what that kid needs. another kid needs the 2 hours to do the same home work. hence the difference in subsequent scores. the 15 minute kid is agenius to begin with.
with 5 kids and the younges in 4th grade we have had our home work experiences over the years. our oldest had a great teacher in 4th and 5th grade. she said that we as parents have too many issues with our kids and that teaching was her job. so that if there were issues with homework she would take it up with the kid directly. and she did not expect us to a. do the homework or
b. ruin our family life if the homework got in the way (or became a contentious issue).
we (stupidly) thought all of the teachers in our school agreed. of course we were wrong and subsequently we received some scolding from some of the later teachers as to what happened to the homework.
shana tova

12:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a public school mom with two young children. I have been lucky enough to have teachers that do not believe in excessive homework. I too do not think an hour of homework for a second grader is acceptable. I think my daughter sums it up better than any adult and I quote "Mom, I don't get it, If I don't understand something after 25 problems, what makes my teacher think after 50 I will. I agree, how bout a little creativity. Whatever happened to cutting articles out and going over them with your child???

1:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is simply another manifestation of the problem with the quality of teachers/administrators in most public and, unfortunately, orthodox schools.

The "right" amount of homework will exist when the teacher knows his/her students and gives not only the right amount, but also the right type, of homework.

I rarely had a quality teacher that assigned too much work or only busy work. The outstanding teachers that occassionaly did give too much homework were always receptive of parents' criticisms (probably b/c these teachers were confident in their own abilities as teachers).

1:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There was a piece recently about the nasty personality problems - hostility - caused by too much structure at too early an age. In the Jewish Week or the Jewish Press, I forget. I will tell you tomorrow. The point was:

A kid who is not allowed to play in an unstructured way, in a secure environment with a family member somewhere nearby, is going to cause awful trouble later one.

Of course, that will necessitate more homework, because the day is taken up with behavior problems.

And so on and so on.

Change schools, or keep them home, and home-school. At least you will end up with psychologically normal, cheerful, curious children, who will then be able to learn anything that interests them, easily, with a little assist here and there.

It sounds like the Tower of Bavel, and you know how that turned out.

You should insist your children be SANE long before you insist they be clever or accomplished. They are living with observant Jews - you. So, they will learn how to live that way. Don't panic.

Here is a link to an educational resource for Orthodox children people might find useful:

http://www.oorah.org/home.htm

Reign in your standard of living and get your priorities straight. These early years don't come back.

6:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By the time a child is three years old, he or she has learned a MILLION things from his/her REAL teachers - the parents. YOU are the real teacher.

A school cannot form an educated person any more than a hospital can form a healthy person. These institutions only SUPPORT our efforts to be educated and healthy, they do't CREATE what we want.

We are choking the life out of everything, and we will reap the whirlwind.

Where is our capacity for rebellion?

THE RESULTS LATER WILL BEAR YOU OUT. YOUR kid(s) will be COOL when THEIRS are "difficult". Or worse. Have courage!!!

What is Mom really getting from her job? Tuition for this???

Stay home and teach your kids. It CAN be done. Give them the tools and be interested yourself and have a designated study area or room, and some structured times.

It won't take more than a few hours of honest work a day, and they will be HAPPY AND RELAXED, and will help you at home. They will know MORE than the miserable inmates at school. You will find it takes real work, BUT it won't be as hard as what you are doing now!!!

6:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have never met a single person, even the few teachers I know, who support dumping hours of homework on children. Who are these teachers who think this is productive? Its just so counterintuitive. If a child doesn’t get it after a dozen questions (and after class), adding another 20 wont help him, and if he does get it, great-no need to torture him.

Is anyone here willing to defend this practice?

7:03 PM  
Blogger AnySara said...

As a teacher (in a public school), I also hate homework. I can see an argument for it in math class (practice, practice, practice) or for not taking up class time with typing the final copy of a writing assignment, but homework for its own sake is ridiculous. It generally wasn't useful as an assessment tool (this can be done much more easily in class). Also, I spent far more time that was useful chasing down kids who didn't DO the homework, phoning their parents, etc.

Teachers hate homework, too.

10:17 PM  
Anonymous Fox said...

Last night was "orientation" at my daughters' Bais Yaakov. For junior high-aged students, the school policy is 90 minutes of homework each evening.

There is no real system of oversight to ensure appropriateness of assignments or whether the assignments can actually be completed in 90 minutes. The only monitoring done by the principal is to make sure that homework is assigned, collected, and noted in the grade book.

When pressed, their reasons for homework are as follows: 1) High school requires even more homework, so the students have to be accustomed to lots of homework; 2) the dual curriculum results in fewer contact hours -- thus the need for homework to complete drills, etc.

And so we begin another year: any parent who makes a peep of protest regarding the amount or type of homework is labeled a permissive, overprotective troublemaker who doesn't want little Chaim Yankel to have to work hard.

Like everyone here, I think homework is great if it serves a clear purpose. But putting pressure on teachers to give homework just so administrators can prove their schools are "rigorous"? I feel like parents *and* teachers are being blackmailed.

10:50 AM  
Blogger Jack's Shack said...

Balance. It is always a question of balance.

11:45 AM  
Blogger SephardiLady said...

But putting pressure on teachers to give homework just so administrators can prove their schools are "rigorous"?

Where I was teaching, they only allowed a limited amount of homework, and due to the behavior issues in class where almost no learning was taking place, the amount of homework was not enough.

Like I said before, most of class time just ends up wasted. It is too bad because it plays into the ridiculous amounts of homework after a too long day.

Quite honestly, a kid could cover a weeks worth of class and lessons in a 1/3 of the time if they didn't have class.

11:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My kids are at a well known elementary/middle school yeshiva in NJ known for its "academic excellence." You can translate that many ways, but one is homework and lots of it. I think the school is great in many areas, but they just don't get it that homework does little imho to advance the academics.

Oh I hear all about how they can't cover everything what with a dual curriculum and how it helps the teachers see what the kids don't know (assuming that parents don't help them). The fact is that they get home close to 4 and with doctor appointments, snack, dinner, baths, etc (let alone, gasp, an afterschool activity or "down time"), how do we get them in bed to get enough sleep. Especially if they are oppositional when it comes to HW? And yet, I hear some parents asking for MORE!

btw, we limit screentime (TV/Computer) to under an hour a day and my kids would just assume read or run outside so I don't want to hear about "wasted time" if they are not doing HW. And all TV isn't bad. We limit it to recordings of high quality, age-appropriate programming.

The teachers and administrators are so fixated on HW that they are unresponsive. Like every other school I know, they will not budge on HW. (avg. 80-90 min/night in 3rd & 4th grade, though longer for my child and I am told it gets MUCH worse in middle school).

HELP!

1:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My kids are at a well known elementary/middle school yeshiva in NJ known for its "academic excellence." You can translate that many ways, but one is homework and lots of it. I think the school is great in many areas, but they just don't get it that homework does little imho to advance the academics.

Oh I hear all about how they can't cover everything what with a dual curriculum and how it helps the teachers see what the kids don't know (assuming that parents don't help them). The fact is that they get home close to 4 and with doctor appointments, snack, dinner, baths, etc (let alone, gasp, an afterschool activity or "down time"), how do we get them in bed to get enough sleep. Especially if they are oppositional when it comes to HW? And yet, I hear some parents asking for MORE!

btw, we limit screentime (TV/Computer) to under an hour a day and my kids would just assume read or run outside so I don't want to hear about "wasted time" if they are not doing HW. And all TV isn't bad. We limit it to recordings of high quality, age-appropriate programming.

The teachers and administrators are so fixated on HW that they are unresponsive. Like every other school I know, they will not budge on HW. (avg. 80-90 min/night in 3rd & 4th grade, though longer for my child and I am told it gets MUCH worse in middle school).

HELP!

1:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There was such an no hw school here in the 5towns last year that failed. I am not saying no HW was the resosn, but I am sure that the non-traditional process had soemthing to do with it.

I do not believe that the "90 min rule" is a good means of assigning HW. Maybe the best and brightest can finish in 90 min. In my house with very smart children, but with 3 kids and alot of distractions, the 90 min HW can take up to 3 hours.

The rule should be a results based HW. The teacher should be in tune with the pogress and ability of each student. The quick learner and fast doer should get enough work for a 90 min HW assignment. The slower learner, slower doer, should also get 90 mon of Hw that they can complete in 90 min, not 3 hours. But we are so PC in schools today without performance tracking etc that we can not give different kids different assignments on the penalty of being educationally rasist. We have to do what is best for our kids, not what is best for the teacher or the schools reputation. I feel that a school will gain a better reputation for being a school of balance.

8:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Agreat source for teaching all kinds of kids is Mel Levine. See his most recent news letter..

http://www.allkindsofminds.org/newsletter/september2006/

8:58 AM  
Anonymous LC said...

The teachers and administrators are so fixated on HW that they are unresponsive. Like every other school I know, they will not budge on HW. (avg. 80-90 min/night in 3rd & 4th grade, though longer for my child and I am told it gets MUCH worse in middle school).
Ackk! My 4th grader spends no more than 30 minutes of actual *doing HW* time. Last year, it was more like 15-20, PLUS 20-30 minutes of enforced reading (kid chose their own book, parent to sign off that it got read).

My 2nd grader is often done in 15. The only HW that involves a parent is the 2nd grade "review this with a parent to make sure you remember what you have learned", and no more than 5 minutes or 2 sentences of Chumash.

1:15 PM  
Anonymous mended_wings said...

Yup. I'm definitely up for it! My son is in kindergarten. On the second week, he already was assigned an average of 1 1/2 hour of homework per night, and this is for ever single freaking night of the month -- weekends and holidays included!! Ridiculous!!

10:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think elementary students need just a LITTLE bit of homework, most of the time it's in one ear out the other (my mother teaches elementary and agrees). I am a high school teacher, I have witnessed children becoming more and more reluctant to do homework, do MINIMAL effort just to get a D or C and they are HAPPY to do so. Where has our values and PRIDE gone where as parents, we are teaching our kids that minimal effort is acceptable behavior? Our standards have been MUCH lowered over the years, and some teachers give into these low standards. When I still hold MY students to HIGH standards - they complain/moan/whine and do the minimal effort to pass. Maybe if parents didn't allow their kids to do 2-3 sports AT ONE TIME in addition to CLUBS and MANY AP classes all in the same year their kids would have more time after school. Is it a teacher's fault that the kid is playing basketball from 3:00-5:30pm, have piano lessons from 6:00-7:30pm, a tutor from 7:30-8:30 and they eat dinner at during this time, then have homework until 10-12 at night because they put it off until the last minute and they had 4 days to complete it (this was taken as an example from one of my students last year)? I THINK NOT. TOO MUCH GOING ON FOR A KID, CUT THE CRAP AND BALANCE YOUR KID'S LIFE. They'll thank you for it later.

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