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Sunday, February 04, 2007

Billboard Doctored to Suit Satmar Sensitivities

From tomorrow's NYT:
THE first time, the boy ended up with a smear of black paint across his face. But after some digital alterations — adding curls on the sides of his face, shortening his haircut and buttoning his shirt higher at the collar — he was ready to try again.

The boy was not offended by these changes, because he is not real. Rather, he is an image on a Williamsburg billboard for Oorah, a children’s charity that wants to encourage donations of cars.

The group advertises in Williamsburg, leaders of the organization say, because the Hasidic Jews of the Satmar sect, many of whom live in the neighborhood, are generous donors. But the original billboard was defaced last spring, apparently because it offended the religious sensibilities of some of the Satmars. It stayed that way until the boy’s makeover was revealed on Jan. 3.

“They don’t want to see a clean-cut boy without the traditional peyos that their own children have,” Chana Nestlebaum, the group’s public relations director, said, referring to the young Satmars’ side curls. “It’s of importance that the children portrayed in their community look like their own.”

In something of a pre-emptive strike, spray-painted graffiti was incorporated into the new billboard, which stands over the corner of Lee Avenue and Keap Street. The message reads, “Zeit menadev aer car,” Yiddish for “Donate your car.”

“We thought that injecting humor might also defuse tension,” said Rabbi Eli Mintz, the director of Oorah, “and perhaps even work to our advantage as a marketing tool, and bring in more cars as a result.”

He may be right. The agency said that it had been getting been getting positive responses and that the billboard was being talked about in the streets and in the shuls.
Odd that this story would seem interesting enough to the NYT editorial board, though it's quite amusing, actually. Reminds me of those ads in the Charedi papers where what are clearly stock photos of boys or men get little yarmulkas quite obviously drawn in.

44 Comments:

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12:32 AM  
Anonymous Ear to the Sidewalk... said...

What bothers me most about this story is that the orignal billboard, which didn't have anything non-tzinnus, was defaced.

Oorah, or any other advertiser, spends money and time and these people think that can just simply get up there with spray paint and make their point?

What about "G'navah"?

Wouldn't you think the act of stealing from this Tzedakah trumps the boy without Payos. This wasn't a woman dressed improperly, just a boy that didn't look like their own.

Who controls these people? Is this really what their "Da'as Torah" tells them to do?

Truely, it makes me sick.

12:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just got done reading an article in today's New York Times Magazine about Tariq Ramadan -- who is described as a Muslim activist scholar or an extremist depending on your point of view.

In light of Orthomom's current post, I'm now pondering the difference between Muslims wanting to impose their religious beliefs on others (a Muslim public school teacher in the UK who wanted to wear a burka or the Minnesota taxi drivers refusing to carry passengers carrying unopened alcohol) and the Satmars defacing a pretty innocuous billboard, IMHO, because it offends their "delicate" sensibilities.

I'm really not seeing much difference. I think that all these religious demands are "out of line" -- a public school teacher sporting a burka, taxi drivers insisting on alcohol-free taxis and the Satmars expecting billboard models to replicate the nearby population (i.e., Satmars) or face destruction of private property.

We have got big problems in the U.S. if we don't sort out more clearly where religious freedom begins AND ENDS. And folks of ALL religious persuasions are going to have to be a little more adaptable. Yikes, what a mess!

3:11 AM  
Blogger keithninety said...

The difference is that the Satmars don't execute women who they feel are acting immodestly, while the religious Muslims will.

Don't compare the two.

10:02 AM  
Anonymous am yisrael chai said...

What the Satmar reshaim did was negate a type of Jew that was religious and Charedi but not as Charedi as they. Shame on them.

12:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Bostoner rebbe said that one of the failures of our generation is understanding the posuk, "Veahavta lereacha komcha" translated as, "Love your neighbor as you love yourself". Many people have misunderstood it to mean, "Love your neighbor who is like yourself". If you dress, speak, daven, think and eat like me we are brothers if not....not.

1:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keithninety said: "The difference is that the Satmars don't execute women who they feel are acting immodestly, while the religious Muslims will. Don't compare the two."

Actually Keith, you are deliberately missing the point -- which is part of the problem.

2:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SHAME SHAME SHAME! Slandering an entire community, what about loshon hora & motzeh shem ra? (Someone mentioned above Veahavta lereacha komcha…)
I am not defending the act, but who about a billboard in the five towns promoting a Satmar march against the state of Israel, who long will that last? SHAME ON YOU

3:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon3:37 said: "I am not defending the act, but who about a billboard in the five towns promoting a Satmar march against the state of Israel, who long will that last?"

To destroy that billboard would also be wrong. Who here suggested that defacing a billboard such as you describe would be OK? That's not what was in the New York Times today -- which is what Orthomom and others are commenting on. It's called topical news. We're discussing the news of the day. Let's not go overboard on the SHAME SHAME SHAME stuff. There's no conspiracy here.

anon3:37 also said: "SHAME SHAME SHAME! Slandering an entire community..."

Yes, indeed. There's a lot of slandering of entire communities going around these days -- Jewish, Christian, Muslim and whatever. That's the problem in a nutshell.

4:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Two points
1)No one knows who did it, so why bash all satmars?
2)After all it all happened within their own boundaries they didn’t bother us, Is it really our business what’s gong on in Williamsburg? Lets face it, in most aspects we can learn a lot from this legendary chereidy community, to jump on the NYT wagon and exploit a graffiti issue out of proportion, that’s the Chilul Hashem

4:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"After all it all happened within their own boundaries they didn’t bother us, Is it really our business what’s gong on in Williamsburg?"

Yes, it IS our business.

You're suggesting that laws regarding private property don't apply as long as it's within "their own boundaries?" Should "the law" they not apply to Muslim folks either, just as an example, as long as it's within their "own area." I don't think so. We're all living in New York State and the laws apply to everyone everywhere including folks in Williamsburg. Williamburg as an entity has not been deeded over to any one particular group -- religious or otherwise. Those are public streets and public sidewalks and city services being consumed in the area which are being paid for by ALL our tax dollars.

Defacing a billboard is not a crime against humanity, but it is a reasonable topic to discuss as are a million other topics.

5:58 PM  
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6:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Yes, it IS our business."

Please explain why it is OUR business?

"Defacing a billboard is not a crime against humanity, but it is a reasonable topic to discuss as are a million other topics."

That’s exactly the reason why the Chofetz Chaim wrote his holy work. To ignore the Chofetz Chaim without explaining why this is OUR business and how WE will be threatened if you ignore this incident, is a deliberate hypocrite!!

6:25 PM  
Blogger SephardiLady said...

I think the story would make a great story for any paper, religious or secular. It provides a fascinating look at marketing in niche communities. The business person in me finds it interesting.

6:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The difference is that the Satmars don't execute women who they feel are acting immodestly, while the religious Muslims will."

Maybe the Satmars won't execute such women -- but in some Israeli comunities, self-appointed "guardians of modesty" have been spraying women whose clothing they don't like with bleach (you can blind someone that way if your aim is a little off), and torching stores selling clothing they don't like (I would love to see one of the sprayees fight back and spray her surprised attacker with Mace -- it would certainly serve the self-righteous rasha right! And storekeepers have a right to defend their businesses against would-be arsonists by any means necessary -- including using a shotgun).

This would, as one above poster said, be an interesting study in niche marketing -- IF Ooorah, which is well-known and respected in the frum community had voluntarily decided to put peyos on the the kid's picture in Willy, in hopes of making their donation program more attractive to the population there. But to do it AFTER some self-righteous shmendrick decides that he has the right to dfeace someone else's property (can anyone spell: "g'neva"?) is a sign of giving in to hooliganism.

7:14 PM  
Anonymous Anon-o-mouse said...

to jump on the NYT wagon and exploit a graffiti issue out of proportion, that’s the Chilul Hashem

CLASSIC! Of course, it's not a chillul hashem to deface an innocuous advertisement and engage in g'neivah, as someone previously pointed out.

But criticising such behavior is CH.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

3:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“ -- but in some Israeli comunities, self-appointed "guardians of modesty" have been spraying women whose clothing they don't like with bleach (you can blind someone that way if your aim is a little off), and torching stores selling clothing they don't like (I would love to see one of the sprayees fight back and spray her surprised attacker with Mace -- it would certainly serve the self-righteous rasha right! And storekeepers have a right to defend their businesses against would-be arsonists by any means necessary -- including using a shotgun). “

Actually the so-called "guardians of modesty" are not self appointed they are guided by the most respected rabonim in Israel; they also don’t go after cloth they don’t like rather after clothe considered non-tzinnus, the least to say. Please don’t misrepresent the facts (Do you know what impact non-tzinnus can make to persons eye especially young children?) The chareidim never perpetrated acts in our community; they are not interested everyone to follow their lifestyle all they do is preserving their strict lifestyle for their own children within their own boundaries. Please don’t be so selfish and sop spewing hate against fellow Jews.

“(I would love to see one of the sprayees fight back and spray her surprised attacker with Mace -- it would certainly serve the self-righteous rasha right! And storekeepers have a right to defend their businesses against would-be arsonists by any means necessary -- including using a shotgun).”

Just curious, do you consider yourself a Jew?

1:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets face it, in most aspects we can learn a lot from this legendary chereidy community

Sure!

how to cheat at taxes
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You're right! There really is so much we can learn from this legandary community!

1:35 PM  
Anonymous Anon-o-mouse said...

To anon 1:29:

Are you a Jew? Have you heard of sakanat nefashot? Sinat Chinam? Gneivah? Any of these aveirot ring a bell for you?

And you have the chutzpah to talk about how non-tzniut clothing "hurts a person's eyes"?

What a horrific version of Judaism you believe in.

1:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You have to understand. In the crazy mixed up muddled up shook up world of the lakewood/mea shearim fundementalist whack job it's a MITZVAH to destroy someone's property rather than go to the extreme trouble of either (A) looking away or (b) closing your own eyes.

1:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And who says a non-tzanuah woman has a right to own non-tzanuah clothing? What? Are you some kind of liberal?

1:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“his would, as one above poster said, be an interesting study in niche marketing -- IF Ooorah, which is well-known and respected in the frum community had voluntarily decided to put peyos on the the kid's picture in Willy, in hopes of making their donation program more attractive to the population there. But to do it AFTER some self-righteous shmendrick decides that he has the right to dfeace someone else's property (can anyone spell: "g'neva"?) is a sign of giving in to hooliganism.”

Yes indeed, it would be an interesting study. if Oorah should give in to hooliganism and generate more money, or they should stay strong and make less money. Does it make sense to you? As long as it does please doesn’t drive a car, wait until your alcohol level evaporates.

“(can anyone spell: "g'neva"?)

Perhaps they are a bit naïve to get offended by such an ad. However according to Oorah since they sign was changed they generated more donations in Williamsburg, Now, my love to a fellow Jew makes me wondering, can it be the same people who perpetrated the act, paid back in form of innocent donations???

1:52 PM  
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Satmar and Neturei Karta
The Satmar Hasidim's opposition to Zionism has at times led to comparisons and confusion with the small and controversial Haredi activist group known as Neturei Karta. While there are ideological similarities between the two groups, they have significantly different historical backgrounds. Satmar's views, as formulated and espoused by Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum, were essentially continuations of earlier dynastic teachings about Judaism and the modern world, and are presently maintained by later generations of the Teitelbaum family; keeping the movement's ideology in line with the dynastic hierarchy. By contrast, Neturei Karta, formally created in 1935, was the result of several small and partially ad-hoc coalitions between various groups of marginalized anti-Zionist, mostly non-Hasidic, Haredi Jews living in what was then Palestine in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.[2]

While Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum originally supported Neturei Karta's activities in the 1940s and 50s, as led by the late Rabbi Amram Blau, this alliance seems to have cooled or been annulled.[citation needed] Although certain Neturei Karta members or Satmar Hasidim may claim dual membership, Satmar and Neturei Karta are not affiliated with one another. In December 2006, Satmar Rebbe Zalman Leib Teitelbaum, issued a statement strongly condemning seven Neturei Karta followers who went to Teheran, Iran to participate in the Holocaust denial conference organized by the Iranian government.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many years ago an elderly man in my shul, beloved to all, stopped off in Williamsburgh to daven with a minyan. Eventhough he was the 10th, they still waited for one of their own to arrive.

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9:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Just curious, do you consider yourself a Jew?"

I most certainly DO.

And why shouldn't I? For advocating that a woman who has had bleach -- a toxic, corrosive amd potentially injurious substance -- thrown on her by some self-righteous yutz has the right of self-defense if attacked, which is the most fundamental of all human rights? Or for advocating that a storekeeper has a right to use any means necessary to defend his or her business against illegal and destructive violence perpetrated by vigilante yahoos?

12:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 7:14PM
"l would love to see one of the sprayees fight back and spray her surprised attacker with Mace -- it would certainly serve the self-righteous rasha right! And storekeepers have a right to defend their businesses against would-be arsonists by any means necessary -- including using a shotgun).”

Anon 1:29 PM
Just curious, do you consider yourself a Jew?

Anon 12:23 AM
"I most certainly DO. And why shouldn't I? For advocating that a woman who has had bleach -- a toxic, corrosive amd potentially injurious substance -- thrown on her by some self-righteous yutz has the right of self-defense if attacked, which is the most fundamental of all human rights? Or for advocating that a storekeeper has a right to use any means necessary to defend his or her business against illegal and destructive violence perpetrated by vigilante yahoos?"

OH
Beautiful words from a violent Jew (?.) including using a shotgun..) defending Shiksa clothing styles in a chariedi neighborhood.
Generally a true GOY is more sensitive to the religious feelings of a community, but that’s not the case with a Jewish Sheigetz-wannabe
“The hatred of an A’H to T”CH is greater to the hatread of Goy to a Yid (chazal)” Does this ring a bell to you?

10:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

" but that’s not the case with a Jewish Sheigetz-wannabe
“The hatred of an A’H to T”CH is greater to the hatread of Goy to a Yid (chazal)” Does this ring a bell to you?"

And that hatred in turn is nothing compared to the kind of zealous hatred shown by self-righteous Kool-Aid drinkers who believe that they AND THEY ALONE alone have an inside pipeline to the thinking of G-d, and that this justifies acts of violence and hooliganism (serious personal assault with a potentially injurious substance, arson) that they would denounce were they done by "goyim," because they were supposedly done (in their own opinion, of course), "in the name of Torah," or "for the sake of Heaven" that they choose to unleash against those who do not meet their standards.

I suppose you would also endorse the actions of the frum men, who in a recent well-publicized case, spat upon and beat a woman on an Israeli bus (even knocking the sheitel off her head) because she declined to vacate her seat when asked to do so by a man who did not wish to sit next to a woman on a public (non-mehadrin) bus?

1:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look, this blog is not between me against you, we are not competing for any position and we don’t even know each other. As so, don’t complicate the topic from defacing a billboard (ough..what a heinous act), which everyone is now happy, to POTENTIALLY harming a non tznnius (un)dressed women to further falsely accuse me to endorsing a psycho beating up an innocent women which is a complete extremism and has no basis to justify and I doubt there is any normal frum person that would. If that’s your impression on all frum people, then he managed to make a great chilul hashem. (see Mishpacha last week, who attributes the Chilul Hashem to that woman as well, for making it a federal case, shame on both of them)

The most interesting part of all is, the Times article was not particular negative, and ironically Oorah is now more than happy to receive more donations with the new billboard, last of all the Williamsburg citizens are pleased with the new billboard, and who complains?

SHAME ON YOU!!!!.....

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