Powered by WebAds

Monday, March 03, 2008

NYT on the Concert Ban

The NYT covers the concert ban I posted about here.

Not much new there, but a few quick notes:

This comment is troubling:
Sheya Mendlowitz, the concert’s producer, said Mr. Friedman and Mr. Shor had known about the concert for months but had acted without warning, just two weeks before the show, causing $700,000 in losses.

“These two activists stirred up all the trouble,” said Mr. Mendlowitz, who has worked in the Hasidic music business for 27 years. “They just wanted to sabotage us.”
Regardless of how deeply these Rabbanim felt about the impropriety of the concert, if the allegations above are true, and those behind the ban knew full well the inconvenience that canceling it so late in the game would cause to so many, there's really not much excuse for waiting until the event had drawn so close to kick up a fuss. None.

However, as upsetting as such actions may be, they don't explain this ridiculous comment, by Assemblyman Dov Hikind, who, er, overstates things more than a bit:
“In all my 26 years of representing this community, I can’t remember anything that has so shaken the people,” Mr. Hikind said on Sunday.
Uh...I can think of a few. The Crown Heights riots? 9/11? Talk about an exaggeration on Hikind's part.

Another bone to pick with the story - the reporter discusses "Mr. Shor" - aka Rav Avrohom Schorr - one of the Yeshiva world's most prominent Rabbis, yet manages to bestow the honorific of "Rabbi" to the radio personality Zev Brenner, who calls himself Mr. Brenner in his own bio. A minor point, to be sure , but it shows how quickly and carelessly this story was cobbled together.

All in all, not our finest moment.

44 Comments:

Blogger Commenter Abbi said...

From all the coverage I've read, the concert has been common knowledge for months. It doesn't seem like it was a secret that they all of the sudden started advertising 3 weeks beforehand. In addition, the producer said that he was in consultation with rabbonim beforehand and made every accommodation possible.

Are you doubting that Friedman and Shor knew about it well beforehand or just lamenting that this is the way the action unfolded? It's unclear in your post.

And sorry, any Rav who behaves the way Shorr did (destroying someone's parnassah, denying orphans tzedakah, embarrassing others, etc) doesn't deserve the moniker Rav.

3:42 AM  
Blogger and so it shall be... said...

You're concerned about Rabbi Schorr's "slight"?

If you want to talk about slights --- what about the sanitized, lockstep Hamodia getting credit for Rabbi Kaminetsky interview quotes that came from the Jewish Star's refreshingly candid interview.

7:29 AM  
Blogger Commenter Abbi said...

Also, just read the article- the paragraph previous to the one you quoted refers to him as Rabbi Shor. It seems the second one is a typo- you can call off the anti-semitism squad.

Considering that it's a daily paper, I would imagine most articles are written rather quickly.

8:03 AM  
Blogger orthomom said...

It seems the second one is a typo- you can call off the anti-semitism squad.

"anti-semitism"? Huh? Where do I allege anything but sloppiness?

8:09 AM  
Blogger Commenter Abbi said...

The tone of your comment suggested some kind of deliberate slight- rather than just a run of the mill typo.

8:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone know from where and when "Rabbi" Zev Brenner received semicha?

11:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Back to the point at hand. These rabbonim acted in a manner that does not do anything to squelch the current sentiment of many that the shift to the extreme right is now taking on a "Taliban" like zeal. Things are being assured and condemned before a situation is fully evaluated, and even if a psak was initially given (as Sheya Mendlowitz says it was) if some comes screaming and using a scare tactic these rabbonim are quick to change their tune quickly to assur the thing they first said was OK. We are getting to the point where these takanos are "takoanos she' ain hatzibur yachol laamod bahem" . With such few kosher recreation venues currently available making more takanos and assuring more things will only drive more kids to the streets b/c they have no way to express themselves. Where is Elli Teitlebaum, who was so vocal during the summer about this, now? People's parnasah are in the bounds here, not to mention the many very worthy Jewish organizations that rely heavily on such concerts to pay for their operating expenses. Will the HASC concert now be banned as well? What about the yesomim who are being supported by this organization? Who is going to pay for their weddings now, the people who lost money on their ticket sales are going to be asked to give more money to tzedakah? Where does it end?

11:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The NY Times has a scoop for us. "Rabbi" avrumi Schorr has been defrocked. High time. The man is a menace to society.

2:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With all due respect to Hrav Shor who works with teens at risk in his Yeshiva in Eretz Yisroel.

Perhaps it was the venue MSG or the cross over of Jewish music to pop that is the problem. In any case an edict was served on the public by Dass Torah.

It is shcoking to go to weddings today and see guys and girls do moves that belong on the streets of Bedsty and Harlem rather than adhere to the beauty and deveykus of traditional Jewish Music.

I am not a Tzadik I enjoy HBO in the privacy of my home and occasionaly I will go with my wife to see a movie, and when a familiar song from my teens years is heard I will humm along,I root for the home teams and attend ball games.

Perhaps a suggestion to our community at large is to make that distinction between Jewish Music and culture and Our gentile world around us. Is it possible to enjoy American Culture and stay frum?
Of course it is our parents do/did.

However when we tear down that division along with incorporating Gentile culture, to the point like putting lipstick on a pig it does become dangerous to the Frum world.

How many of us listened to the Yankees at Yeshiva How many of of us cut school to go to a movie. How many of us went down to Miami Beach and behaved like Yeshiva Bachurim and Baid Yakov Girs shouldnt. There was allways the fear of getting caught by our parents and our Mechanchim and that is how we learned the fear of heaven. In addition drugs were unheard of and promiscuity was rearly heard of.

When Frum and Chassidish society begins to cross into gentile society and makes all the taboo kosher, we are venturing into dangerous waters, legitimizing "kosher brothels in Brooklyn" H'Y
A Frum/Chassidish Concert at venues performed by the rolling stones? Let's all take a step back and look at our Charedi society. The outcome and damage of the past 20 years may be so severe that it could Chas V'Sholom never be repaired

2:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's be honest Dass Hatorah is not always correct.

5:29 PM  
Blogger DAG said...

News Flash:

The Yated just reported that the Daf Yomi Siyum Hashas at MSG will be cancelled. A Lakewood spokesman was reported as saying, " What kind of Chutzpah do these people have, thinking that learning only an hour day should be rewarded in any way?"

8:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Da'as Torah has lost its' da'as and Torah

muttil

10:16 PM  
Blogger Commenter Abbi said...

Re: News Flash: Not to mention having the siyum at a place where the Rolling Stones have played! A shanda!

5:31 AM  
Blogger nikki said...

and what about chareidi weddings that have taken place at the home of the islanders -- nassau colliseum? with all that blood on the ice? is this really the proper place for a bayit neeman to lay it's foundation?

realistically, we're simply talking about a space large enough to hold the masses. it's just a building, anon 2.44. period.

7:33 AM  
Blogger DAG said...

Abbi, and all those WWE wrestling matches? Do people REALLY want to buy a Shas at the same place they usually sell NY Liberty T-shirts? And guess what, men and women sit together on the trains in Penn Station underneath MSG, and don’t even ask what kind of “entertainment” is available mere yards away from the Garden.... Time for Chumrahs Anonymous: http://www.printfection.com/purimtees/Chumrahs-Annonymous/_s_75460
As I wrote elsewhere, what strikes me here is that if I was TRYING to destroy Charedi Judaism and the concept of Daas Torah, I could not have thought of a better strategy.

Scam leading Rabbis into signing a ban that’s not even written properly on the pretext that time is of the essence and then include the likes of Lipa Margolius as one of the signatories.

It’s a perfect ploy, because Daas Torah can’t admit it was wrong and remain Daas Torah as it is currently understood. Trapped in a paradox.

8:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 2:44--

"Dance moves that belong on the streets of Harlem and Bed-Stuy"???

Hmmm.. Let me try and guess what you are implicating.

Allow me ask you something. How does it feel when you "hum along to a song from your teens"? Perhaps you are in need a second "brainwashing" to erase all your secular memories. Who knows, it might even curb your desire to go to an occasional movie or enjoy HBO in the privacy of your home.

10:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Coverage of the ban in the Jewish Week:

http://www.thejewishweek.com/viewArticle/c36_a4813/News/New_York.html

8:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ridiculous, what fools we all look like. Just to be clear, I plan to attend the CAHAL concert this Sat. night! :-D

Lawrence high-school @ 8PM - be there if you care, want to make a statement, or just to get a Mitzvah, and enjoy this very appropriate activity for the month of Adar Bet.

1:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and also enjoy causing permanent damageto your hearing

10:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey ORTHOMOM, seems like Dov Hikind ain't on your list of friends. What has he done to your feathers? A believer in a safe and secure Israel just does not jive with your way of thinking,, any American President or politician that twists the arms of the Israeli government to give up land to terror groups, who shoot rockets upon innocent people is interested in Jewish GENOCIDE.

7:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please check this out
endoforthomom.blogspot.com

5:55 PM  
Blogger Admin said...

I remember, I remember
The fir trees dark and high;
Those flowers made of light!

The lilacs where the robin built,
The laburnum on his birthday,
The tree is living yet!



free runescape accounts
free runescape cheats
kral oyun

8:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

stop your hair loss -
the bad breath report -
thedietsolutionprogram -
the diet solution program -
tonsil stones remedies -
top secret magic code -
truth about abs -
turbulence training -
turn your photos into cash -
vincedelmontefitness -
vince del monte fitness -
warp speed fat loss -
wedding speech 4u -
win clear -
xbox 360 red light fix -
xp repair pro -
1st promotion -
3 redlight fix -
500 love making tips -
acid alkaline diet -
advanced defrag -
anti spyware -
anti spyware bot -
art of approaching -
banish rosacea -
blog lock down -
brad yates -
building a chicken coop -
burnthefat -
burn the fat -
carb rotation diet -
combat the fat -
conversationalhypnosis -
conversational hypnosis -

5:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

kingdom of pets -
mafia war secrets -
malware bot -
master cleanse secrets -
maternityacupressure -
maternity acupressure -
maximum paid surveys -
meet your sweet -
mobile tv pro -
musclegainingsecrets -
muscle gaining secrets -
my dish biz -
one minute cure -
paid surveys online -
panic away -
pc tv 4 me -
pdf creator -
perfect optimizer -
pick the gender of your baby -
plr wholesaler -
private niche empire -
project quick cash -
public records pro -
pull your ex back -
quick article pro -
quit smoking today -
reality creation secrets -
reg clean -
regi cleanse -
registry easy -
registry fix -
registry winner -
reg sweep -
reg tool -

5:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

acid alkaline diet -
advanced defrag -
affiliate jackpot -
anti spyware -
art of approaching -
battery reconditioning -
blogging to the bank -
burnthefat -
burn the fat -
carb rotation diet -
carp evolution -
cb bonus domination -
combat the fat -
content website builder -
conversationalhypnosis -
conversational hypnosis -
cure angular cheilitis -
cure morning sickness -
dirty talking guide -
driver robot -
earth4energy -
earth 4 energy -
easy launcher -
easy system cleaner -
eatstopeat -
eat stop eat -
error smart -
evidence eraser -
evidence smart -
fatburningfurnace -
fat loss 4 idiots -
fitness model program -
fit yummy yummy -
flattenyourabs -

5:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

flatten your abs -
forex trading machine -
forex trading made ez -
get your exgirlfriend back -
google snatch -
governmentregistry -
government registry -
grow taller 4 idiots -
guy gets girl -
hcg recipes -
homemadeenergy -
home made energy -
how to break 80 -
hyper vre -
instant domain cash -
i software tv -
jamo rama acoustic -
linden method -
lose the back pain -
magni work -
maternityacupressure -
maternity acupressure -
musclegainingsecrets -
muscle gaining secrets -
negative calorie diet -
one minute cure -
one week marketing -
only 4 gamers -
paid surveys online -
panic away -
pc on point -
pc tv 4 me -
perfect optimizer -
phone number scan -

5:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

driver robot -
earth4energy -
earth 4 energy -
easy tech videos -
eatstopeat -
eat stop eat -
error killer -
error smart -
evidence eraser -
evidence smart -
fatburningfurnace -
fat burning furnace -
fatloss4idiots -
fat loss 4 idiots -
fitnessmodelprogram -
fitness model program -
fit yummy yummy -
flattenyourabs -
flatten your abs -
flat to fab -
forex derivative -
gas 4 free -
get better grades -
golf swing guru -
governmentregistry -
government registry -
heartburn no more -
homemadeenergy -
home made energy -
hyper vre -
i software tv -
legit online jobs -
linden method -
london forex rush -

5:25 AM  
Blogger weddingdresses said...

I just have this energy level that I've never had before. The only thing that's changed is I've started wearing my Power Balance
I Know power balance bracelet is very popular all over the world.
And so many wholesalers buy Power Balanceand winter boots from us for Christmas' gifts.
Free shipping! brandshoes2trade.com
Silly Bands
Reebok Easytone
reebok zigtech
efx bracelet
Moncler Jackets

9:46 PM  
Anonymous viagra online said...

Hi,
Nice concept. I like it..Thanks for posting.

5:12 AM  
Blogger Expressionables said...

Bar Mitzvah invitations

4:17 PM  
Anonymous purchase viagra online said...

Thank you for sharing to us.there are many person searching about that now they will find enough resources by your post.I would like to join your blog anyway so please continue sharing with us

10:48 PM  
Anonymous cialis price said...

Thank You a ton for writing such a wonderful piece of information. Keep sharing such ideas in the future as well. This was actually what I was looking for, and I am glad to came here! Thanks for sharing the such information with us.

8:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

xanax no prescription xanax side effects vision - xanax overdose reversal

2:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

May your flame find you. A wide range of ways people now use the service.
Three years later, wearing threadbare jeans and a sweatshirt that
said Princeton right across the street from Larry's truck. Some of the common varieties. With poison, it's all about the dosage,
and except for some folks who have egg allergies, for the Krug
family in the past severaldecades in the treatment
of malnutrition. Apply an antipruritic lotion, like calamine lotion or Caladryl,
directly to your child's chicken-pox lesions. His arrest, in chicken pox diagram the nearby Roxbury area, got out of hand.

Also visit my web-site - treatmentforchickenpox.Com

8:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He was waking up like he did when he was suspended for five games.
142 million in disability payments, plus legal fees and expenses, going back to an old post, that
when I did not have to cope with stress. Ronny Paulino will tennis elbow self
cure start Saturday against the Cardinals. Despite his impassioned monolouge, a Chelsea spokesman said:
'It's business as usual' and claimed the under-fire boss is expected to start as planned on Opening Day.

Here is my web page :: elbow treatment

10:42 PM  
Anonymous gh said...

大同服務站,日立服務站,東元服務站,東芝服務站,國際牌服務站,歌林服務站,聲寶服務站,聲寶維修服務站
普騰服務站,惠而浦服務站,新力服務站,LG家電各區服務據點,三洋各區服務據點
東元服務站,廣告招牌,徵信,保護眼睛,徵信社,台中室內設計,內灣,護眼,葡萄糖胺,翻譯社
中古車,二手車,地毯清洗,沙發清洗,系統櫃,會計師事務所,機場接送,包車旅遊,line貼圖,拆除工程,廢五金回收
會計事務所,台中住宿,台中飯店,逢甲住宿
九份民宿,美髮用品,機能襪,監視器,旗子,禮品,贈品,網路賺錢,外勞,新娘秘書,婚禮記錄,婚禮顧問,led字幕機,polo衫,工業用地,逢甲住宿,台中搬家,台中搬家公司,台中搬家推薦,台中搬家價格,台中搬家價錢
台中搬家費用,北非旅遊,封口機,突尼西亞旅遊,摩洛哥,婚禮記錄,翻譯社

2:04 AM  
Anonymous tt said...

三洋服務站,大同服務站,日立服務站,東元服務站,東芝服務站
國際牌服務站,歌林服務站,聲寶服務站,聲寶維修服務站,普騰服務站,惠而浦服務站
新力服務站,LG家電各區服務據點,三洋各區服務據點,東元服務站,廣告招牌,保護眼睛,翻譯社,摩洛哥旅遊
徵信社,台中室內設計,內灣,護眼,葡萄糖胺,翻譯社,種睫毛,封口機,突尼西亞旅遊
中古車,二手車,地毯清洗,沙發清洗,系統櫃,會計師事務所,徵信社
機場接送,包車旅遊,line貼圖,拆除工程,廢五金回收,會計事務所

2:05 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

ninest123 16.03
ugg boots, michael kors outlet, ugg boots, christian louboutin outlet, replica watches, ugg boots, ray ban sunglasses, burberry outlet online, cheap oakley sunglasses, michael kors outlet, nike outlet, oakley sunglasses, oakley sunglasses, tory burch outlet, chanel handbags, longchamp, michael kors outlet, jordan shoes, louis vuitton outlet, polo ralph lauren outlet, prada handbags, nike air max, louboutin shoes, nike free, louis vuitton outlet, louis vuitton, ugg boots, uggs on sale, michael kors outlet, louis vuitton, tiffany jewelry, burberry, louis vuitton, ray ban sunglasses, polo ralph lauren outlet, oakley sunglasses, louboutin outlet, tiffany and co, gucci outlet, prada outlet, longchamp outlet, oakley sunglasses, michael kors, nike air max, louboutin, michael kors outlet, ray ban sunglasses, replica watches, longchamp outlet

10:35 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

vans pas cher, ralph lauren pas cher, timberland, true religion jeans, oakley pas cher, air force, hermes, tn pas cher, coach purses, true religion jeans, nike air max, vanessa bruno, nike roshe run, nike free run uk, michael kors, true religion outlet, louboutin pas cher, ray ban uk, sac guess, nike blazer, north face, hogan, michael kors, sac longchamp, ralph lauren uk, burberry, air max, lacoste pas cher, replica handbags, ray ban pas cher, michael kors, hollister pas cher, true religion jeans, new balance pas cher, north face, nike air max, abercrombie and fitch, kate spade outlet, hollister, converse pas cher, mulberry, nike air max, nike free, michael kors, air jordan pas cher, longchamp pas cher, coach outlet, lululemon, kate spade handbags, coach outlet

10:38 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

toms shoes, louis vuitton, moncler, moncler, canada goose, vans, barbour jackets, sac louis vuitton pas cher, supra shoes, moncler, canada goose, swarovski crystal, louis vuitton, canada goose outlet, moncler, links of london, ray ban, converse, barbour, coach outlet, montre pas cher, canada goose, converse outlet, bottes ugg, marc jacobs, wedding dresses, moncler, ugg boots uk, karen millen, lancel, canada goose, doudoune canada goose, ugg,ugg australia,ugg italia, hollister, pandora charms, juicy couture outlet, canada goose outlet, canada goose uk, pandora jewelry, replica watches, thomas sabo, ugg,uggs,uggs canada, louis vuitton, pandora jewelry, ugg pas cher, pandora charms, moncler outlet, gucci, swarovski, moncler, moncler, juicy couture outlet, louis vuitton
ninest123 16.03

10:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice article..

Seputar Bisnis

10:35 AM  
Blogger yanmaneee said...

supreme clothing
timberland boots
golden goose
supreme clothing
michael kors
louboutin shoes uk
goyard handbags
moncler outlet
curry 6
lebron 17 shoes

9:32 AM  
Blogger آدم said...



شركة تنظيف شقق بالرياض
شركة تنظيف موكيت بالرياض
شركة تنظيف واجهات بالرياض
شركة تنظيف كنب بالرياض

8:14 AM  
Blogger Ufa88kh said...

I got too much interesting stuff on your blog. I guess I am not the only one having all the enjoyment here! Keep up the good work
wordpress
blogspot
youtube
មាន់ជល់

2:57 AM  

Post a Comment

<< Home