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Wednesday, April 05, 2006

Scary

There's a lot of very scary sentiment being spewed in the aftermath of the Boro Park riots over at NYPD Rant, which seems to be a message board for NYPD officers to..well, rant. Some choice bits from one poster:
Mayhem erupts, Riot in Brooklyn, Jewman collared sparks riot. Damn. Who gives a flying f***? They are animals. Pure savages. They should be on some island picking food from each others beards. Let them riot. Stinky bastards. "Die In Jail, Rot In Hell."
Another:
They stink and they all look the same..am I profiling? you bet!!!! Ever see a Hasid locked up for rape? never happen...half the community shares the same DNA...ever see a handicapped Hasid? They lock them up...treat them like the plague...what a joke..don't get me started...
And another:
I did not think I would ever really be able to say I "hated" people simply because of their religion (sect or cult).

So I'll say I REALLY dislike these people.

In an attempt to speak to a hasidic "man" (animal) he screamed at me not to touch him, that I can't put my hands on him, etc. etc. And, not that it is a pleasant thought, but it's ok for the skank hooker to b!@w him? Which is why he needed to be "spoken" to.

Now I have to take a shower just thinking about them.
I am well aware that it is likely that only a very small minority of NYPD members are posting here, and that the Hasidim involved in the riot surely acted poorly toward some NYPD'ers last night, but still. The vitriol and anti-Semitism which was clearly well in place before yesterday is more than a bit jarring.
Via: Ben Smith, formerly of the Politicker blog, now at his new gig right here.

Update: This from NY1:
Chief of Department Joseph Esposito now admits he made inappropriate comments during the chaos. He does not however admit to singling out Jews in his words as some city council members say he did.

Brooklyn City Councilor Simcha Felder accused the chief of saying, "get the F Jews out of here. Get the F Jews out of here. That is something that is inexcusable, intolerable," Felder says.
I don't know. The profanity is what it is (I can't imagine it was the first or the last profane term to be used by NYPD members), but I would have to imagine that a police chief would certainly want to get all the Jews who were rioting inside his district and committing vandalism, arson, and assaulting his officers, "out of there". Unless someone can prove that he meant "Get the Jews out of my district forever", I don't see the drama with this one. It isn't like he said "Go and beat those F'ing Jews up", right? Anyone want to explain why what he said was so awful?

24 Comments:

Anonymous taboo said...

With respect to ubiquitous, latent anti-semitism, I couldn't have said it better myself, OM. Pleased to see your willingness to post, without censure, such crude material. I'm sure you'd agree that sometimes, among adults, that is the only way to make your point.

1:37 PM  
Anonymous jdub said...

OM:

Down where I live, there was a similar incident of a cops' internet site where the rants were directed at blacks and Latinos. It's not just anti-semitism, it's anti-anybody who makes their lives difficult.

I'm not justifying it at all. It's wrong and it shouldn't be permitted. It undermines the public's confidence in the police.

I'd hope that responsible minds close the website, but maybe it's better to see what is being said. Hate speech doesn't disappear when it's suppressed, it just goes underground where it festers more.

1:51 PM  
Blogger orthomom said...


I'd hope that responsible minds close the website, but maybe it's better to see what is being said. Hate speech doesn't disappear when it's suppressed, it just goes underground where it festers more.


Hey, I don't even know that I would expect someone to shut down the website. My only point here is that the vitriol is quite jarring. I'm sure there are posts in this forum that would be equally, if not more offensive to other ethnic groups.

1:56 PM  
Blogger DovBear said...

As offensive as the cops writing might have been, don't we all think that way about Hasidim sometimes? Don't we all wonder about the guy who cheats on his taxes or visits hookers yet imagines himself to be holier than us?

The cops who posted were indiscreet, and the lines about picking food out of beards, or going without showers were rude to say the least, but I couldn't help noticing that, more than anything else, they sounded like we do when we talk about arabs.

2:19 PM  
Blogger orthomom said...

they sounded like we do when we talk about arabs.



Ahem. Speak for yourself. If I ever hear anyone talk like that, I rebuke them immediately. There is no place in my life for such talk, about Jews or any other group. And I know that by "we" you mean the community at large and not yourself, but don't think I would tolerate such talk about any other group on my blog either.

2:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

some of the stuff on that police blog is downright scarey...
i mean, i'm not ignorant or upset by most of it, but some of it is really beyond the pale.

it should, however, give us cause for concern about how our actions are perceived by others. we blog so much about how we can't stand what goes on, no surprise that others think even worse than we do.

zsta

2:28 PM  
Blogger DovBear said...

And I know that by "we" you mean the community at large and not yourself, but don't think I would tolerate such talk about any other group on my blog either.

Yes, I mean the community. The same community that is going to act appaled that the cops who last night put down a riot are today a bit peeved at hassidim, happily use the same sort of peeved language themselves when Arabs in other countries riot.

2:43 PM  
Blogger orthomom said...

happily use the same sort of peeved language themselves when Arabs in other countries riot.

Hey hey hey. Even during the Muslim rioting, I personally never heard the kind of terminology that we see here in the NYPD posts.

2:54 PM  
Anonymous Al Gore said...

Here's another post from a quality public servant:

Re: 66 Had one of them whine to me during a car stop..

"Give me a scare.....Dont Give me a ticket"

Oyy vayy..


Have a Ticket Moisch

3:24 PM  
Anonymous Fox said...

The posts really are "out there", but I think we have to have more rachmones on the police than we might have on, say, investment bankers.

They routinely deal with the scum of *every* community -- they spend all day every day dealing with the worst every community has to offer. If we get cynical, imagine how they must feel! So if they need a board to get it out of their systems, I can live with that.

It concerns me more that people in law enforcement often become so isolated from "good" that they begin to see every comment and gesture in a negative light. A few of the posters seem to have strayed into that territory. But this is an old problem in law enforcement -- burnout, divorce, suicide . . . It's hard to mitigate the effects of their daily grind.

3:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's funny how the Reform Jews that everyone loves to dis so much don't act like this. Who, really, is a shande for the goyim?

3:57 PM  
Blogger DovBear said...

happily use the same sort of peeved language themselves when Arabs in other countries riot.

Hey hey hey. Even during the Muslim rioting, I personally never heard the kind of terminology that we see here in the NYPD posts.


You hang with a better class of Jews, I guess.

3:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THIS IS VERY DISTURBING and should be investigated and if they are cops that posted this they should be fired. how about fowarding this to the proper authorities before somthing really bad happens. its scary to think that people that carry guns legally can do. please ortho use your political connections to stop this.

4:46 PM  
Anonymous Fox said...

Anonymous --

The "Reform Jews that everyone loves to dis" most certainly *do* act like this -- and worse! The difference is that their manner of dress does not immediately single them out as Jews.

While this might seem to be a blessing, it is often easy to deduce (even if incorrectly!) from a name, community, or other affiliation that such a person is Jewish. For example, the major news sites did not cover the BP fracas, but they *did* cover the murder and illicit activities of a presumably Jewish businessman.

You can certainly argue, and should, that Jews who identify themselves through their clothing or accessories have a higher standard to uphold in their public comportment. However, as "crimes of the day" go, this was relatively small potatoes, and the rule applies as much to cranky bubbes who give salesclerks a hard time while wearing a Magen Dovid necklace as it does to bein hazmanim teenagers with a common-sense deficit.

6:19 PM  
Blogger Jameel @ The Muqata said...

DovBear: Actually, I've heard stuff like that from policemen in Israel...about settlers.

6:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LETS FACE IT, THESE JEWSARE ALL TEXCHEETS ANDSLUM(SCUM)LORDS THEY DISERVW WATHTHEY AR GETTING. EVERY LIUTTLE BIT!!!

6:44 PM  
Blogger Elder of Ziyon said...

Thanks Momof4.

I just called the NY Post tipline and gave them your URL (the NYPD Rants URL was too long.) This is not something to just roll over and chalk up to "boys will be boys."

7:48 PM  
Blogger Elder of Ziyon said...

Thanks Momof4.

I just called the NY Post tipline and gave them your URL (the NYPD Rants URL was too long.) This is not something to just roll over and chalk up to "boys will be boys."

7:49 PM  
Blogger SephardiLady said...

Fox-Buring a cop car and inciting a riot that burnt up tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars is not "small potatoes."

And, I have yet to see Reform Jewish teens in masse riot. Today is not the day to pretend we are still better. Yuck.

9:43 PM  
Anonymous Fox said...

Sephardilady --

Actually, I feel very comfortable calling the actions "small potatoes" when I read and compare them to the other news of the day. Please don't misinterpret this statement to construe that I condone in any way the actions of the people involved.

No one is pretending "we are still better". And if you've never seen Reform Jewish teens "rioting" with damage to property and endangerment of life, then I suggest you check out a fraternity party of a predominately Jewish chapter.

My point, which I believe is valid, is that Jews who are not easily identifiable as such regularly involve themselves in activities far, far worse than the BP riot. However, most media outlets don't make an issue of their Jewishness.

Yes, the people involved should face whatever consequences our justice system is capable of meting out. And our community should reimburse the city for the costs. But saying that other Jews don't "act like this" is a little misleading.

11:02 PM  
Anonymous jerusalemom said...

Jameel- and I've heard settlers talk about Israeli police as low life frenkim who would be (or are) criminals if they weren't in uniform. It goes both ways.

11:52 PM  
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