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Friday, June 23, 2006

Ann Coulter Lunacy Watch

Once again, just for fun, I am linking to some of the more egregious of one of my least favorite people Ann Coulter's offensive attention-grabbing antics. Here's a clip from a radio show where she really sounds like she's going off the deep end, and some words from her latest column that some claim fall into the category of incitement. Enjoy.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't even listen to her any more. It is truly disgusting. I just don't understand how she thinks that anyone will take her seriously. I am a democrat, and I admit there are problems in the party and that in general politics is not black and white. She however seems to think that only the democrats mess up, and that whatever mistakes have been made make it ok for her to say horrible things.

Last I checked, it is a Christian value to 'do onto others as you would have them do to you' surprise surprise, Ann Coulter is a hypocrite who can dish it out without remorse, but feels like she is above reproach.

It is people like her who make me embarrased to be human

9:58 AM  
Blogger Charlie Hall said...

'Coulter defended "The Bell Curve,"'

She should read *Intelligence, Genes, and Success: Scientists Respond to the Bell Curve*, edited by Bernie Devlin, Stephen E. Fienberg, Daniel P. Resnick, and Kathryn Roeder. It points out many problems with both the methodology and the conclusions of the original work by Herrnstein and Murray. That Coulter would continue to praise *The Bell Curve* should cause anyone to doubt her commitment to honest science.

10:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually I didn't think that she sounded like she was going off the deep end. I think that people take deep offense with her views and then say they have a problem with her. While it's not pc to critcize the 9/11 widows I feel that what she said had to be said. Perhaps she went too far in her rhetoric.

But her points are valid, her opinion is valid and since this is America she has a right to express it.

Will I be castigated because I went against the opinion of the blog's author?

10:56 AM  
Blogger YMedad said...

To the first anon.
You may be a Democrat (capital D) but it is an open argument about whether you are a democrat - not that you aren't but I was just trying to make a point.

As for incitement as a criminal charge, wait til you come to Israel. Here's it's open season on right-of-cent, nationalist-religious people.

10:59 AM  
Blogger YMedad said...

I am Jewish but sorry about that "cent" error.

11:00 AM  
Blogger DAG said...

Obviously Ann is laughing all the way to the bank annd sees this as a way to selll books....you are only heping here...I DID find the Bell Curve line troubling....

11:07 AM  
Blogger orthomom said...

DAG said...

Obviously Ann is laughing all the way to the bank annd sees this as a way to selll books....you are only heping here...I DID find the Bell Curve line troubling....

I don;t know that I'm actually selling her books, and I'm well aware that I am helping get the attention she is seeking - but I can't resist when I detest someone so darn much.

11:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Charlie, you missed the point about the Bell Curve. Coulter was not affirming its scientific validity. For all she knows it may be complete junk science.

What she is criticizing is the dogmatic belief that it must be false because it runs contrary to the secular notion of equality (as opposed to the religious notion of tselem Elokim). A president of a university criticized the book as anathema and then admitted that he did not even bother reading it! That's not science, it is political dogma.

11:46 AM  
Blogger have popcorn will lurk said...

I hadn't seen her in the public eye for about a week - it was a matter of time before she popped back up!

"There are people waiting - I'm very popular right now!" LOL!! THAT is what all this boils down to for her - at least _creating_ the illusion that she's very popular - she's marketing her books!

The more she's out there yapping, the less seriously I can take her. She wouldn't take the tone she takes if she really wanted to advance political discourse - naah, this is all about lining Ann's pockets. $$$$$$$$$$

Helloooo - liberals aren't responding to her supposed "godless" charge because it's ridiculous coming from a woman who claims to be a Christian yet can't tell the difference between Christianity and Judaism!

12:02 PM  
Blogger DAG said...

I have Ann's first 4 books, and I do plan to purchase this new one as well. She IS incredibly funny. Her methodology would never stand up to academic scrutiny, however. She uses too many joke lines and employs seriously flawed logic. The most common example of "Coulter logic" as I call it, would be to quote one liberal as saying X and extrapolating that this statement is therefore canon law for ALL liberals. She will follow her first quote by quoting an unrelated liberal that claims otherwise in a completely unrelated case and offer the difference of opinion as evidence that liberals are hypocrites.


5:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Coulter is a hypocrite who can dish it out without remorse

Because being a hypocrite is the worst type of offense a person can do.

7:48 PM  
Blogger Jak Black said...

Sheesh. You sure do seem to have a fixation with Ms. Coulter.

I haven't read the book you recommend (though I've read the Bell Curve itself.) However, apparently, the authors themselves admit that, "The Bell Curve is a serious book and is not to be ignored." Hardly "junk science" as some here have suggested. Another more widely accepted book, "The g Factor: The Science of Mental Ability" comes to many of the same "controversial" conclusions - for example, Jensen reports an average of 18 point difference in IQ between whites and blacks.

6:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isnt there anything more imortant to discuss? child molestation in our schools, the former Westchester Day School teacher sued recently for child abuse,etc. We expect more from you!

10:17 PM  
Blogger Lady-Light said...

Ann Coulter aside, I am a Democrat but voted Republican in the last election. It seemed the lesser of two evils. My take now? 'A plague on both their houses.' Neither in the US, nor apparently in Israel either, do we have intelligent and brave leadership.

12:30 AM  
Blogger Charlie Hall said...

'Hardly "junk science" as some here have suggested.'

I didn't use that term. But I found the critiques in the reference I cited to be well taken, and not politically motivated.

Regarding IQ, I've actually done some research on this (and published a paper that looked at an IQ measure in elderly persons who develop dementia). I'm mostly familiar with the Wechsler measures and it is clear that there are serious biases in those measurement instruments. In addition, norms among different populations are known to differ (Dutch, German, Chinese, Japanese, and Korean children have been shown to score 9-10 points higher than the American average), and tests have to be re-normed periodically because performance generally improves over time (the so-called Flynn effect). It is not clear what meaning this all has; is the Netherlands an economic powerhouse as the result of their smarter kids?

1:56 AM  
Blogger orthomom said...

Jak Black said...

Sheesh. You sure do seem to have a fixation with Ms. Coulter.

Totally right. I am fixated with detesting the woman. It kills me to give her attention that she clearly is craving, but I guess it's sort of like when people rubberneck at a train wreck - you just can't look away...

2:07 AM  
Blogger Jak Black said...

I didn't use that term. But I found the critiques in the reference I cited to be well taken, and not politically motivated.

The book was written at the behest of the Carnegie Commission Task Force on Early Primary Education, and by left-leaning academics. Two strikes.

It is not clear what meaning this all has; is the Netherlands an economic powerhouse as the result of their smarter kids?

You have to wonder - if all this is meaningless (and I tend to agree with you), why the panic over the Bell-Curve in the first place? I'll tell you why - it shatters, or at least bruises seriously, one of the pillars of modern liberal thought: radical egalitarianism.

2:27 AM  
Blogger Jak Black said...

Totally right. I am fixated with detesting the woman.

Fine; glad you can admit this. Just don't get peeved when some wonder if you're motivated more by Ms. Coulter's political views than her demeanor.

2:30 AM  
Blogger orthomom said...

Fine; glad you can admit this. Just don't get peeved when some wonder if you're motivated more by Ms. Coulter's political views than her demeanor.

Huh? Not sure why my response tells you that. All I admitted to was hating the woman. And it has everything to do with her lack of humanity. You seem to think you understand a lot more of my political leanings than you actually do. You are clearly not a longtime reader.

2:58 AM  
Blogger Jak Black said...

I'll explain it really clearly, then.

(1)The Far-Left has been attacking Ms. Coulter relentlessly. This goes back, by the way, to her first book. At any rate, this hatred is found primarily on the Left of the political spectrum.

(2)You admit to hating Ms. Coulter (hate!?)

Therefore, some will WONDER if your hatred doesn't have its true source in politics, regardless of your protestations to the contrary.

It's a rule which I've actually found pretty useful in life. Hate Ann Coulter? Probably a modern liberal.

(That last bit was snide, by the way.)

4:45 AM  
Blogger Charlie Hall said...

'and by left-leaning academics'

I am in the same field as the editors, and have noticed no political bias in them. Do you have any evidence of such? And they welcomed Murray to an invited symposium at the largest conference of the discipline for a very respectful non-political discussion that was very enlightening. The discussants (including Murray) stuck to methods and facts. Murray himself pointed out that in that forum that his work, if correct, is a strong argument for affirmative action because those disadvantaged groups are not responsible for their lack of success. (I'm not sure if the proceedings were published; I can try to find out tomorrow.) All in all, I was impressed with Murray's willingness to defend his work before a critical audience, and with the quality of the critiques.

9:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OM, this is a great piece on Coulter. You would like it.

11:30 AM  
Blogger orthomom said...

It's a rule which I've actually found pretty useful in life. Hate Ann Coulter? Probably a modern liberal.

(That last bit was snide, by the way.)

Yes, it was. And incorrect. I have spoken to many moderates who detest her as much as I do.

But then, I have also met many conservatives aside from you who don't relentlessly defend her while crying "liberal!" at her critics, as if that political leaning clouds objectivity about a person with views as reprehensible as Coulter's.

The amusing part is that I clearly spend all my time attacking her tactics and her rhetoric - NOT her politics. That's because, as I mentioned, it isn't about her political leanings. It's about her nauseating attention-grabbing tactics that she puts forth as punditry.

11:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding the bell curve:

1) that there is over a 15 point iq gap between blacks and whites is not a disputed issue among anyone, only the source of this gap

2) among mainstream psychological and genetics community it is already completely accepted that that the intelligence gap is almost entirely due to genetic differences between the races.

3) For those who dont believe 1) and 2) a year ago the APA published a comprehensive study outlining how the iq gap is due to genetics differences (the apa is a very liberal organization and the authority on psychology, and this was an official published study). I will post the link when i find it. This study was released very quietly because of the backlash the "bell curve" received.

4) Today, there are currently entire branches of genetic study at top universities and research centers devoted to studying the genetic differences between races.

1:50 PM  
Blogger richCares said...

In her latest book Ann Coulter defends "The Bell Curve," the 1994 book which alleged that blacks are less smart than whites because of genetic rather than socioeconomic differences. "Liberals were afraid of a book that told the truth about IQ ... because they are godless secularists who do not believe humans are in God's image...," Coulter wrote yesterday. "(L)iberals are terrified of making any comment that seems to acknowledge that there are any differences among groups of people -- especially racial groups. It's difficult to have a simple conversation -- much less engage in free-ranging, open scientific inquiry -- when liberals are constantly rushing in with their rule book about what can and cannot be said."

In Charles Murray’s best seller, “The Bell Curve”, Murray pauses to politely denounce black schoolteacher Marva Collins’ fantastic claim that ghetto black children had real enthusiasm for difficult intellectual work.. So certain were the authors that Marva Collins couldn’t be telling the truth, that they dismissed her data while admitting they hadn’t examined the situation firsthand. Collins success was a fluke and could not possibly be long lasting. That is contempt of a very high order, however decorously phrased.

Marva Collins and the Westside Preparatory School received national recognition in 1979 when CBS’s 60 Minutes, one of America’s top rated television programs profiled the school’s remarkable achievements. Morley Safer interviewed 33 students at the school and found them to be bright, literate, inquisitive, anxious to express themselves in the classroom, well educated, well mannered, hungry for learning and very committed to having good careers.

In September of 1995, 16 years later, 60 Minutes returned to Westside Preparatory to find out what had become of the former students. According to a statistician from the University of Chicago, the norm for those 33 children in similar environments and backgrounds would be as follows: one dead, two in jail, five on welfare. Westside’s graduates put the Bell Curve to shame. Of the 33, all were living very successful lives, most were college graduates, some still in college earning Master’s degrees, while the others built-up good jobs and careers. The Bell Curve was demolished, another stake in the vampire heart of racism.
Ann Coulter, a firm believer in the Bell Curve, has labeled those who disagree with the “Bell Curve” in her latest book as liberals. In actuality, those that believe the validity of the “Bell Curve” are racists. If rejecting the false reasoning of the “Bell Curve” is liberal then we need more liberals.

To me, Marva Collins is a great American hero. I briefly met her when she was the guest of honor at the Crystal Cathedral in Anaheim. The standing ovation Marva Collins received there is in stark contrast to Coulter's defense of the Bell Curve.

12:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Before you get too excited about that IQ gap, if it does exist it doesn't mean that any white person is smarter than any black person. In fact, if you look at the group of people who have the highest IQ's (say, above 135) then you'd find plenty of black folks. You can say that there are thousands and thousands of blacks in America who have higher IQ's than 98% of all Americans!

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Blogger richCares said...

In San Gabriel Calif, shortly after 9-11, an Indian Sikth was killed by some shouting "raghead". Sikths are not muslim, they are not arabs, but they do wear turbins. The only other person using the term ragheads at the tome was Ann Coulter. So I am entitiled to hate her.

8:45 AM  
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So, it somehow makes more sense if someone kills an Arab or a Muslim?

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