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Thursday, June 22, 2006

Some Proof That Yeshivas Don't Offer Classes In Journalism

Headline from page 6 of today's edition of the ultra-Orthodox publication Hamodia:

For The Third Time, A Lawyer For Saddam Hussein Is Assassinated


Wow. How many more lives do you think this lucky guy's gonna get?

40 Comments:

Blogger Still Wonderin' said...

AAAArgh! I saw that and didn't flinch. Good eye OM.

10:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lol

10:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm generally a major stickler, but I think they're ok here. It does not, at first glance appear to say that the same guy was assissinated, rather, that for the third time, "A" lawyer representing Sadam Hussein (not necessarily the same guy) was assassinated. Had they written, "For the third time, THE lawyer . . . ," or "Hussein's lawyer assassinated for the third time," I'd see your point. Not that I don't agree with the spirit of your critique - the writing is generally abysmal.

11:18 AM  
Blogger Still Wonderin' said...

by the way, just to be fair, the writing in hamodia typically comes from wire services they use. much of the writing is not in-house.

11:30 AM  
Blogger The Town Crier said...

that was big news yesterday
and also since his lawyer was killed, saddam went on a hunger strike
are you seriously admitting that you get news from hamodia?

(its ok, i think hamodia is the best jewish NEWS paper for exactly that reason)

11:44 AM  
Anonymous REReader said...

Or, perhaps, it was meant in the sense of--"I told you. I told you again. For the third time,..."

12:00 PM  
Blogger The Town Crier said...

yknow i was a little slow there sorry

12:08 PM  
Blogger OrthoKrum said...

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12:29 PM  
Blogger OrthoKrum said...

You're having a great day MOM. You love looking through your out-of-focus (and definitely not rose coloered) glasses. Excellent Yeshivah knock!

12:31 PM  
Blogger AnySara said...

"Still Wonderin' said...

by the way, just to be fair, the writing in hamodia typically comes from wire services they use. much of the writing is not in-house."

Some of it comes from wire services, but some must be written in-house unless they've found the most obnoxious and biased wire service out there... Not that we would know because, when last I looked, bylines are curiously absent from most articles in Hamodia. I wonder if they do this to prevent letters to the editor or if they just believe that everyone agrees with them so who cares who wrote the article!

12:37 PM  
Blogger Somewhat Anonymous said...

If Hamodia is ultra-orthodox then what is the Yated? Not that I really read any Jewish papers beyond the FTJT (its free).

12:54 PM  
Blogger Rafi G said...

nice catch on the headline..

1:06 PM  
Blogger The Town Crier said...

do a news search on any big story - and youll see that every local paper can run the same exact AP or wire service article and may or may not run it with the same headlines or make up their own

1:18 PM  
Blogger DovBear said...

Some Proof That Yeshivas Don't Offer Classes In grammar you mean.

1:38 PM  
Blogger Mirty said...

A Rasputin-like lawyer, perhaps....

2:01 PM  
Blogger Somewhat Anonymous said...

DB - because non-yeshiva students in this country speak such perfect English. I think Best of the Web has a running feature on ambiguous headlines, not a big deal.

2:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think this moiredik headline iz mamish ah peleh.

3:02 PM  
Blogger storywatcher said...

The Times editors ostensibly did study journalism and that kind of stuff happens all the time. You have to be careful of something that can be read two ways. Watch Jay Leno and you'll see plenty of those, many of them much worse.
BTW, I'd like to know one yeshiva that does have a formal class in journalism.

3:03 PM  
Blogger DovBear said...

DB - because non-yeshiva students in this country speak such perfect English.

~

The point, though, is the error has nothing to do with JOURNALISM

3:08 PM  
Blogger Somewhat Anonymous said...

DB - my apologies, I thought you were ragging on the quality of (ultra-orthodox) Yeshiva secular education.

3:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Somewhat Anonymous said...
If Hamodia is ultra-orthodox then what is the Yated? Not that I really read any Jewish papers beyond the FTJT (its free).

Hamodia is chassidish/ yeshivish
Yated is lakewood yeshivish

4:28 PM  
Blogger Somewhat Anonymous said...

Anon - ah, I guess I need to brush up on my knowledge of Jewish factionalism

4:32 PM  
Blogger Ayelet said...

I'm another total grammar freak (I whisper corrections under my breath all the time as people speak - that is, if I can hold myself back from correcting them aloud.). Even so, I agree with Anonymous #2 (the third commenter). True, it is ambiguous, but it can be understood to mean that this is the third time a lawyer of Saddam's was assassinated.

9:06 PM  
Blogger Jack's Shack said...

Better question, how many people are still willing to work as counsel for him.

1:22 AM  
Blogger YMedad said...

a) I agree with a/one of/whomever anonymous posters of yours (OrthoMom, have you ever had so many anonymous people bothering you?) that grammatically the headline was correct.

b) Joe Rebibo, as far as I am aware, is editor of HaModia in English. Besides being American (Phoenix), okay son of a Rabbi, too, he worked for many years at JPost. see his article in Azure here:
http://www.jafi.org.il/education/azure/11/11-rebibo.html

He's very good and not your typical, okay, DovBear typical, Haredi pseudo-journalist

6:11 AM  
Blogger orthomom said...

YMedad said...

a) I agree with a/one of/whomever anonymous posters of yours (OrthoMom, have you ever had so many anonymous people bothering you?) that grammatically the headline was correct


I wasn't the one who said it was a grammatical error. DB was. I just think it is an unclear headline, with an amusing double meaning. Which is something that journalists ostensibly try to avoid.

7:57 AM  
Blogger YMedad said...

Yes, you're right OrthoMom. Sorry 'bout that.
And try these on:

Blind woman gets new kidney from dad she hasn't seen in years;
Police begin campaign to run down jaywalkers;
Organ festival ends in smashing climax;
Two sisters reunite after eighteen years at checkout counter;

8:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HOW RELIABLE YOU ARE. ALWAYS THERE TO MAKE FUN AND DENIGRATE CHAREIDIM. GOOD FOR YOU.

BUT YOU KNOW, HITLER DIDN'T DIFFRENTIATE.

10:59 AM  
Blogger orthomom said...

Anonymous said...

HOW RELIABLE YOU ARE. ALWAYS THERE TO MAKE FUN AND DENIGRATE CHAREIDIM. GOOD FOR YOU.

BUT YOU KNOW, HITLER DIDN'T DIFFRENTIATE.

10:59 AM


Right. That's what people have come to rely on my blog for. It's the leading anti-Charedi blog out there.

2:19 PM  
Blogger DovBear said...

Rats. I though GH was the leading anti-Haredi blog. :)

2:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

People who get degrees in Journalism are just about as stupid as Education majors.

3:02 PM  
Blogger thekvetcher said...

orhtomom is just a frum hater that is why she posted this. she doesnt like people challenging her either. as we enter the month of tamuz,, we will start to lament the destruction of the temples cause of hate like this.

3:15 PM  
Blogger orthomom said...

thekvetcher said...

orhtomom is just a frum hater that is why she posted this.


Yes, that's what my readers have come to expect from me.

Yawn.

4:29 PM  
Blogger thekvetcher said...

I actually expected more from you. when i first started to read your blog i actually was impressed by the articulate writing skills and grammar. when you tried to be a chaptzem I gave you a nudge to straighten up but you continued to sling the muck.. What happened to you???????? where is mama??

4:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A Chaptzem? This blog? That's funny, actualy. Kvetcher you don't read chaptzem do you?

5:20 PM  
Blogger thekvetcher said...

some people think i am chaptzem.

http://chaptzem.blogspot.com/2006/06/r-bentzion-crashes-into-kallah-during.html#comments

5:32 PM  
Blogger stopuoj said...

I think everybodys getting to serious here... mom is just poking some gentle fun

8:18 AM  
Blogger orthomom said...


stopuoj said...

I think everybodys getting to serious here... mom is just poking some gentle fun


THANK you. Exactly right.

9:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is hilarious. Orthomom who is a poor writer herself, criticizes a headline for poor grammar when in fact there is nothing wrong with the headline.


Time to eat crow and admit you wrong.

1:56 PM  
Blogger orthomom said...

Anonymous said...

This is hilarious. Orthomom who is a poor writer herself, criticizes a headline for poor grammar when in fact there is nothing wrong with the headline.


Time to eat crow and admit you wrong.


You're sweet. Come again!

2:28 PM  

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