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Monday, September 18, 2006

Charity Begins At Home?

On a thread a few posts down, an anonymous commenter left the following comment:
It seems a real shame to me that here in the 5 towns we support charities from all over the world, as is evidenced by the almost weekly visits from persosn outside the community soliciting for 1 org or an other, but yet homegrown charity has taken a back seat. Charity begins at home with the nickel and dimes of the school children, which in the case of local jewish schools is usually sent outside the community. Lest see how much we could raise in Boro Park at a fundraiser for a 5 towns jewish school, not to much.
I think the comment is very interesting, though I don't agree with all of it. I agree with the fact that a community should help their own needy before taking their resources outside the community. I especially agree that if a community's institutions are struggling to stay financially afloat, said community has no business supporting institutions in other communities before their own are provided for. But how those ideas play into the situation here in the Five Towns is an intriguing question.

There is no question that a tremendous amount of the community's resources are being tapped by institutions and charitable organizations that are not located within the Five Towns. There is also no question that other communities are suffering from levels of need that are orders of magnitude worse than we see here in this community.

A few years back, I remember a community leader wrote an article for a local paper decrying the fact that the community supports so many outside charities when there are causes in their own backyards that are left wanting. He actually proposed a community-wide moratorium on fundraising for institutions that are not local ones. If I recall correctly, this article came on the heels of a visit to the Five Towns by a prominent Chassidic Rabbi from an upstate community. The Rabbi spent the weekend in the homes of various community members, raising funds for his own community. Rumor went that when all was said and done, and the Chassidim and their leader were cozily ensconced once again in their upstate community, they had raised a cool million from the Five Towns Olam. At around the same time, a local Yeshiva was heavily fundraising for a new building. As that rumor went, the Rosh Yeshiva was told my some wealthy community members that they were simply overextended at that time and couldn't give as much as the Rosh Yeshiva was asking for.

Obviously, it makes a good deal of sense to put local charities and institutions first, before shelling out to faraway communities. But when dealing with a wealthy community such as this one, where the financial resources are vast, the situation is far far more complex. Can we rightly say that we must save our resources for new shul buildings - complete with vaulted ceilings and elaborate catering facilities, when there are shuls in other communities who need help to literally put a roof over their members' heads? Is it ethical to withhold funds from another community's Tomchei Shabbos, when their numbers of destitute are far more staggering than our own? Can we really say that we need to keep all our assets in-house when our Yeshivas have beautiful campuses and buildings (at least the ones that have buildings - but I digress), and many yeshivas in outside communities are in ramshackle buildings that are bursting at the seams with students?

Is it really morally just for a community with an extremely large number of "haves" to send the message out to those needy souls who come from communities with even larger numbers of "have-nots" that they Need Not Apply?

I mean, yes, I can't argue with the anonymous commenter quoted above that no one expects to see a fundraiser running in Brooklyn for a Five Towns charity. And I agree with the commenter as well that the Tzedakah collected from our children in Yeshiva usually goes to causes outside the community. That said - how in the world, with this community's mean standard of living, can we expect to see anything else?

37 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am the poster. I think you took my comments out of context. They were in response to a thread about how little catholic school costs v. yeshiva, because the catholic school community supports the catholic schools with charity, even the nickel and dimes of the children in the schools. That poster even educated me to the fact that the catholic church deos not support the schools directly.

I am sure (but have not checked, if there is even a way bto do so), that this "charity" of the catholic school community, as well as their total giving, is dwarfed by the charity and chesed provided by our community. We should be proud of our accomplishments, BUT,

I bemoan the fact that there are many institutions in this community who build grand facilities, take in any child that wants an education (without regard to the source of payment), and then stuggle to pay their salaries and bills, all while millions are flowing out of the community to equally worthy causes.

In line with the article you read was a recent proposal for a tzdekah tax, in that a percentage of the tzadakh flowing out of the community is taxed for the benefit of our local institutions.

I hope that my remarks, in whatever conteaxt they are taken, will at least open some eyes to the fact that when considering where to disburse our tzadakeh funds, soemtimes we can think about our own first.

7:41 AM  
Blogger orthomom said...


I bemoan the fact that there are many institutions in this community who build grand facilities, take in any child that wants an education (without regard to the source of payment), and then stuggle to pay their salaries and bills, all while millions are flowing out of the community to equally worthy causes.


I agree, but that is what this post is all about. How is that not in line with your original context?

8:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great post. But I am a proponent of the no outside charity propsal in my shul. Maybe our communityis not as wealthy as yours, so its different. But its hard to exuse there being anyone going hungry in your own town when you give moneyto other towns.

8:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How is that not in line with your original context?


Because Orthomom seems to think that advocated no tzadakh to oustide institutions. I am only advocating that the 1st recipients should be our own. When they have enough then go to the outside. There will be plenty for everyone, but why should our institutions suffer when home grown charity can support them all. Why should 1 child be turned away beacuse the school is short on funds.

8:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yet another point by your anoynmous poster.

Using Boro Park only as an example, I find it hard to believe that the Boro Park community cannot "take care of their own" when it comes to charity. As I drive through Boro Park, I see much more oppulant homes then I ahve seen here, on much more expensive land. There are rich people there to. Let their people of means support them 1st too. Again only as a means of example.

8:39 AM  
Blogger orthomom said...

There will be plenty for everyone, but why should our institutions suffer when home grown charity can support them all. Why should 1 child be turned away beacuse the school is short on funds.

I hear what you are saying. But your point can be extended to apply to our own community. Should we allow charities such as a new, elaborate school building to be built in one school, when another, much poorer school has a leaky roof and classes held in trailers? There are many causes here that are far more well-funded than others. So the point that you are making, that a community should make sure that their own are provided for in every way, can be extended to apply to inter-community causes as well. I simply don't think that it is a reasonable standard to hold, that a comunity should support no outside charities, when we are talking about a fancy building in one community vs. starving people in another. Proportion is definitely a consideration, in my opinion.

8:48 AM  
Blogger orthomom said...


Because Orthomom seems to think that advocated no tzadakh to oustide institutions. I am only advocating that the 1st recipients should be our own. When they have enough then go to the outside.


My point is that whast is "enough"for a community such as ours might be a ridiculously wasteful standard for a community whose charities are struggling to feed starving people. So it's all so subjective.

8:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Orthomom:

You miss the explanation of this phenomenon by defining community exclusively in geographic terms, rather than in religious terms. The reason that Boro Park organizations raise funds in the Five Towns but Five Towns organizations will not attempt to fundraise in Boro Park is because they understand the Yeshivish and Chassidic community will not contribute to Modern Orthodox organizations. (Yes I know that the Five Towns is not exclusively Modern Orthodox, but its not religiously like Boro Park either.) The reverse is not true, as many Modern Orthodox Jews give substantial amounts to Yeshivish and Chasidic organizations. The reason for this has nothing to do with which community has nicer schools or shuls. The Yeshivish and Chassidic communities will not contribute to Modern Orthodox institutions, because they believe that Modern Orthodoxy is not “authentic” Judaism.

9:22 AM  
Blogger DAG said...

Trust me, there are 5 Towns Frum organizations that are REALLY hurting....employess, not being paid, massive debt etc.

9:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"ridiculously wasteful standard "

Maybe a topic for another day, conspicious consumption in the 5 towns.

10:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Yeshivish and Chassidic communities will not contribute to Modern Orthodox institutions, because they believe that Modern Orthodoxy is not “authentic” Judaism.


But our money is frum enough for them??

10:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"conspicious consumption"

both for shul, schools and private indviduals.

10:07 AM  
Blogger and so it shall be... said...

"But our money is frum enough for them??"

old story.

10:10 AM  
Blogger Orthonomics said...

I will preface this by saying I don't live in the 5Towns. I live in a community that does not have opulent shuls and has barely adequate or just adequate school facilities. We don't have too many wealthy people either. And, meanwhile we have massive tuitions that are rising by massive amounts every year.

And, yet, every Sunday (Mon, Tues, Wed. . . ), money leaves the community with meshulachim, sometimes for great causes like food, other times to buy dirot to uphold a ridiculous dowry system at the expense of underfunded things here. And, there are numerous parlor meetings for outside causes, etc.

Nobody from outside the

And, yet, there is not a single notice "from the pulpit" (at least that I know about) explaining our priorities in tzedakah, letting us know what we should prioritize first locally and what we should prioritize in Israel and other communities.

I agree with you Orthomom that there are people who are much worse off in other communities. And, I would agree that building grandiose shuls, mikvahs, etc, should probably take a backseat to certain needs.

But, I don't think most communities can afford to neglect their own without destroying necessary institutions.

10:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While I agree that Charity begins at home, I will give my tzedakah to whatever organizations I choose. Who would enforce a tzedakah "tax"? Would there be an opt-out available? If it taken without my knowledge, wouldn't that constitute a fraud?

When it comes to people going door to door, I no longer give to people collecting for organizations who do not have a teudah from the Vaad of the Five Towns (I will still give to poor individuals looking for a handout for themselves, but not people claiming to be collecting for organizations). It is amazing how many people without a teudah claim that they got to the Vaad just as it was closing but plan on getting a teudah the next day. As far as the teudah goes, I get the sense it doesn't mean much anyway, but at least there is some sort of process. Anyone know how the Vaad screens and decides who gets their teudah? I guess that is enough venting for now.

10:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are really two issues: prioritiy between one's community and another, and priorities within one's own community. While the first issue is often complicated, the second is often much less so because there is no question of a trade off between proximity and need. I mean, how important is it for, say, a congregation to have a grand structure in the face of the needs of families that simply can't make tuition payments for four kids or schools that have to house classrooms in trailers? To me, a contribution to a shul building fund, while technically tzedaka, is only slightly more praiseworthy then spending money on a new kitchen or deck as the decision to build a shul is often the result of want rather than of need (e.g., shuls being built by breakaway minyanim or by congregations with adquate space seeking to build an "edifice"). While sucha desire is legitimate, it would be a shame if it came at the expense of charities with actual needs.

10:57 AM  
Blogger Orthonomics said...

Anon 10:57AM is absolutely correct that we don't prioritize well within our own communities. I was just asked to donate generously to a brand new edifice. Needless to say, in the face of other pressing needs, the edifice won't get my money.


While I agree that Charity begins at home, I will give my tzedakah to whatever organizations I choose. Who would enforce a tzedakah "tax"? Would there be an opt-out available? If it taken without my knowledge, wouldn't that constitute a fraud?

Observer-I guess your community doesn't have "tzedakah scrip" (neither does mine, but I wish they did).

Basically tzedakah scrip is a program where the Vaad, or whoever issues teudot, allows community members to buy denominations of donations. Instead of community members providing meshulachim with cash or checks (checks being a sore point for the unfortunate ones who have been defrauded by unscrupulous frauds), a community member can provide meshulachim with denominations of scrip, which then must be "redeemed" for actual cash from the Vaad.

The scrip is "taxed" when redeemed, e.g. a $25 "bill" can be redeemed for $20 cash.

Those who purchase scrip are aware that it is "taxed." Those who do not want taxed can just write a personal check or give cash.

The "tax" then goes to a tomchei fund or bikur cholim or other local community functions.

11:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Original Poster Again:

The point that I see evolving

(a) When building or renovating a building, almsot everyone is against grand structures as momentos of ones charitable giving. Modest structures that can sufficiently accomodate the community they intend to serve are appropirate.

(b) No one disagrees with the notion that local institutions here in the 5 tonws deserve more support from the local community. Maybe if they did a better job of controlling their output of funds (espically on flashy facilities) maybe the community would show more support.

(c) We can not expect our more rightwing brethern to show us in kind hakarat hatov, with support of our torah institutions, as our torah is not as holy as theirs.

(d)tzadakh tax is a non starter as it is not possible to police or enforce someone from giving where they want

(e) Local Religious leaders could be doing a bettter job selling our local institutions

1:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sephardilady,

Thanks for educating me as to how the tzedakah scrip program (tax) would work. I appreciate it. Sounds interesting and like a good idea in theory. If it could work, I would support the idea (since it is voluntary). I wonder though, how it work in a community of our size. In particular, which rabaim would decide how the "tax" should be allocated? What organizations would those rabaim actually agree upon? Food for thought. Thanks again.

1:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let us not forget, though: In the ad that was passed out several months ago in the Five Towns we were informed of a Rabbinic psak that the "Va'ad HaRabbonim", an Israeli organization, is the FIRST place our tzedoka money should go. It was even a local Five Towns rabbi who was quoted as having tcheppered this psak out of the godol in question.

Now how can we possibly give to local charities when our tzedoka money must be earmarked for this foreign organization with the huge advertising budget?

1:45 PM  
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1:59 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Let us not forget, though: In the ad that was passed out several months ago in the Five Towns we were informed of a Rabbinic psak that the "Va'ad HaRabbonim", an Israeli organization, is the FIRST place our tzedoka money should go. It was even a local Five Towns rabbi who was quoted as having tcheppered this psak out of the godol in question.

Good point. As reported here.

2:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I will give my tzedakah to whatever organizations I choose."

Thats fine just please choose local charaties before those outside the community.We have so many worthy organizations in our community that persorm chessed every day, and can do even more.

Charity is volantary giving and while we believe in misser (10%), each person should have the right to give to the cahrity of their choice. My problem is that every charity from all over the world has come to use the 5 towns as their check book, when we have local groups who have insufficient funds to continue their holy work. These outside charaties wholesome groups to support, but if we do not fully support our local institutions, they will close up, or worse, we will have to "bail them out" of financial trouble when it costs a lot more to do so.

9:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perhaps the "tax" e.g. 10% off the top can be enforced when the "invitations" go out. The local Rabbanim of our shuls should speak as one on a designated shabbos as to the new "law". The bottom of the invitation should state that a percentage of the proceeds will benefit OUR community. There should be an account set up for the yeshivos and once a year the monies can be distributed according to need.

9:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How much of the Five Towns charity goes to non-Jewish causes? Like the refugees in Darfur, for example. On any scale, they are probably the neediest people on the planet. If there is a moral obligation to help those who are less well off, is it limited only to other Jews? Just wondering.

10:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is an interesting thread, but an old story. Jewish money has always flowed out of the community and that's not likely to change and if it is the donor's choice then there is nothing wrong with it. However, when it comes to local yeshivas and religious schools, I think the more pertinent question is, "How much of your tuition is flowing out of the yeshiva and to some other religious organization, possibly a yeshiva in Israel?" I call this the involuntary yeshiva tax and the sad part is you are making a donation and can't even take it off on your taxes.

7:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"How much of your tuition is flowing out of the yeshiva and to some other religious organization, possibly a yeshiva in Israel"

Please explain. Are u saying that schools boost tuition to pay for non-operating "charitable" donations to 3rd party institutions??

8:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think we should take a lesson here from our Chassidic and Syrian bretheren. While substantial sums of money are raised for causes outside their community the majority of their ma'asser money is flowing into their schools and social organizations.

This is not an all or none argument but a shifting of our priorities.

From what I've been told Baltimore has a 30% tzeddakah tax imposed on all outside charities.

10:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to Goy Guy, youy post at 11:21 is great. Thansk for the insight.

11:56 AM  
Blogger Looking Forward said...

i will point out that halachicaly someone who was wealthy, we are required to give him untill he is living at a comparable standard to where he was. if he was accustomed to eat meat and fine bread, then we must give him meat and fine bread.

alot of it has to do with shame, so it may well be applicable.

2:42 PM  
Blogger Orthonomics said...

Goy Guy hits the nail on why the Catholic System is so much more efficient. If we cannot close schools, combine schools, etc, we will never end up finding significant savings. At least in my neighborhood, schools don't run to capacity.

8:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Goy Guy hits the nail on why the Catholic System is so much more efficient. If we cannot close schools, combine schools, etc, we will never end up finding significant savings. At least in my neighborhood, schools don't run to capacity."

And the reasosn why the catholic schools can run like that is centralized adminstration.

We have these fiefdoms where any "Rabbi" can open their doors as a school, without any oversight, financial (and as we learned in Brooklyn) no oversight over the actions of employees (not to say thyat this does not happen in the catholic arena too). If the Jewish Schools were forced to have more financial responsibility, we would start to see some changes.

10:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MOM as the original poster, I think I and the other have beaten this topic to death. Might I suggest that after Rosh Hashonah we tackle the topic of conspicious consumption (you statred with the hair salons), and see what we as a community can do to change peoples need to be social climbers,and "keep up with the Jonses"

10:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FROM THE ORIGINAL POSTER:

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