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I was watching CNN on Erev Shabbat, and Wolf Blitzer came on, talking about the war in Israel. I had instant deja vu to 1991, when Wolf was in his breakout role covering the Gulf War. The current reports and shaky video footage of the damage from the Katushya missiles that are raining down on Israel, with Blitzer's voice narrating the list of casualties, are eerily reminiscent of the coverage from 15 years ago of the attacks by Iraq's SCUD missiles. I was only a teenager then, and I remember (with great embarassment), the annoyance I felt at having my winter break plans to jet to Miami canceled by my parents' desire to have me show some solidarity with my Israeli brethren - more than I remember the actual worry I felt for the people living there. Though it was in vogue for those in my social circles to declare our anxiety over the situation, I suspect that my immaturity prevented me from feeling as concerned as I should have.
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I have been nervous and jittery for days now, completely at a loss for what I can possibly do to help the situation aside from praying. (David has some other suggestions.) Not much else to do right now but wait, watch, and worry.
Not so in the Mideast conflict's current incarnation.
I have been nervous and jittery for days now, completely at a loss for what I can possibly do to help the situation aside from praying. (David has some other suggestions.) Not much else to do right now but wait, watch, and worry.
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We are all broken up here that your travel plans to Miami were disrupted by your need to attend an urgent protest on our behalf.
I have stated my remarks below under your caption I Was Wrong.
Reprehensible. Is your daughter on tonight's flight TO Israel to help relocate over 1 million dislocated persons? Is your son on the flight here rather than to Miami to help out at least behind the lines?
TF - You might want to note that the Miami thing was when she was a teenager, and she was saying how immature a reaction it was at the time - Read more, issue blanket condemnations less.
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Aah, only in the 5Ts.
hey, tf, kick back. om's kids are little... i know we're all on tenterhooks over here (trying to figure out how to prep my long neglected bomb shelter myself -- pikud ha'oref: we need them, we don't, we do) but cut her some slack... i'm sure many american jews are feeling a bit useless and anxious right now.
You want to do something constructive? We are running out of all types of blood. Line up your entire community, have the MDs and nurses in your shul start pumping, and send it over on tonight's flight with your kid who is coming to volunteer for their sherut leumi al pi halacha. It will be put to use in the morning by Magen David Adom, unfortunately
I am at the point where I can't even watch CNN or read the NY Times anymore. Their "reporting" is so blatantly one-sided. I have switched to Fox News Channel, which I am finding is slightly more "fair and balanced" (as they like to say).
Tzahal Father, as I mentioned in response to your comments below, we may not know what you're going through in Israel, but your judgementalism is unfair, obnoxious, and certainly unhelpful.
tf, what would tzahal do with om's five-year-old? sounds like you're angry at the situation we're in and rightfully concerned about the safety of your children but the attitude and holier-than-thou is not right.
I am simply reflecting halachic reality, and the true sentiment of virtually all who reside here in terms of our American cousins. It is neither obnoxious nor judgemental. You are over some of the most serious issurim mi'de'oraysa, and you insist upon defining which halachot you will observe and which you will conveniently ignore as a community.
Wake up!
And start pumping some blood to send with your kid on tonights flight, rather than discussing whether to click onto Fox or CNN from the luxury of the Five Towns on a Sunday morning.
tzahal father: As much as MDA needs blood, I don't think we're running out of it as fast as you claim. The vast majority of th wounded are psychologically scarred and wounded -- shell shock.
To the best of my knowledge, the MDA hasn't issued a call to World Jewry to send blood. However, donating money now to MDA, Yad-Sarah, Hatzalah Israel, and ZAKA are all good places to be mikayen mitzvot d'oraita.
(If anyone from the 5-towns reading this wants to donate a defibrillator and/or pulse oximeter to Hatzala...I know a 24 hour a day on-call EMT who would be very happy to receive it.)
I actually had the idea during the matzav 3 years ago to make a "blood plane" but it was alot easier said than done.
In the ccase of tzahal dad, i tend to agree with the goy in the other thread who points out what would happen to american support of israel if the jewis disappeared.
But i think in tzahal dad's case he obviously needs some xanax to go along with that blood.
Tzahal Father-Where I grew up in America, it seemed that everyone's father was waiting for their orders to go to Iraq for the Gulf War. Talk of the war in Iraq was general lunchtime talk of my teenage peers.
I don't think you can expect Americans who did not grow up in such close proximity to US Armed Forces to have the same relationship to war as Americans who are military or were living close to miliary.
Over the years, people mature. And, I think Orthomom is an example of such.
So, instead of criticizing. . . why not write a little bit about the ways that Americans can help our Israeli breathern.
Heyi know frum people in the five towns who served in gulf war one.
thats an american jew, who helped israel...
and according to tzahal dad, he's a -
i dont think so.
"You are over some of the most serious issurim midioraysa, and you insist upon defining which halachot you will observe and which you will conveniently ignore as a community."
Tzahal Father, what the hell are you talking about? Get off your high horse! You sentiments are utterly reprehensible.
Jewboy,
To take a less passionate, more analytic approach to the issue:
There are specific halachic responsibilities in time of milchemet chova for those who choose to live me'ever ha'yarden for interests of wealth. These halachic mandates are as mi'de'orayta (or mi'de'uraysa in galut) as kashrut and shemirat shabbat.
The most important responsibility is to send your able bodied children of army years to assist, if not to join in combat directly. There is no suggestion of spending more money shopping for Israeli products as a substitute. There is no suggestion of saying tehilim as an alternative --those who are supposed to sit in bet midrash and say tehilim are the troops not actively in combat today due to rotation.
Somewhere along the line, American Frum Jewry evolved an intricate, contradictory and compartmentalized set of which halachot it will adhere to an extreme (arguably kashrut) and which it will completely ignore as if they never existed (milchemet chova). Halacha does not work that way, which is the standard Frum argument to all Reform and Conservative ritual observance committees.
It is particularly tragic, as we sit in the three weeks of churban mourning the loss of the first two Commonwealths, under active military attack of the third Commonwealth (irrespective of your political beliefs) in which Tsfat of the AriZal has truly been blown to bits, Haifa is burning, and Tel Aviv is under full alert this morning, that the asimon does not even fall in the minds of American Frum community what are its halachic responsibilities. Instead, it posts blogs such as this coming up with every cute innovation OTHER than the halachic mandate. Isn;t that the very basis of Frum criticism of the Reform and Conservative movements?
And it is vital to note that this is a uniquely American Frum community phenomenon. TV last night showed chartered planeloads of young Jews from Britain and France arriving to assist, as is their proper perception of their responsiblities in time of milchemet chova. The suggestion that a minyan of such children, much less a 747, from New York sends all of you into a panic of confrontation, credibility bashing and name calling --standard practice in New York for anyone voicing an opinion other than the Pravda Party Line, as we have all seen in the community's initial responses to the sexual impropriety cases.
Why is this issue such a raw nerve only to American parents?
OrthoMom, this should be right up your alley as you define your blog. What is such a raw nerve that American Jewish mothers will not send their children to assist in time of war while the Brits, French and even the Aussies fro the other side of the planet send literally chartered planeloads.
And why is this such a raw nerve in the American community that it is taboo to even mention the explicit violation of halachic practice?
Let's see a dialogue on that topic between the parents here and those still in Galut of the Five Towns.
Tzahal Father: If you presented your viewpoint politely, instead ranting at Orthomom for not being more Israel-minded as a teenager -- then I can see the basis for a dialoge.
OrthoMom, this should be right up your alley as you define your blog. What is such a raw nerve that American Jewish mothers will not send their children to assist in time of war while the Brits, French and even the Aussies fro the other side of the planet send literally chartered planeloads.
I don't know whu you think that you touched a raw nerve with anyone here when you brought up sending children to Israel. The only raw nerve you touched with almost every commenter here was when you judgementally and obnoxiously disparaged entire communities as well as individuals in your comments on a thread below. Maybe you should reread those comments, and you might see why you received such hostile responses to your original rants.
"Not much else to do right now but wait, watch, and worry."
I guess this kinda puts your never-ending pontificating about the spending of "your property tax dollars" and parking in front of central ave boutiques in perspective...
Tzahal Father - Maybe you'd like to leave it to the rabbonim to decide what our Halachic obligations are? There have been calls by the gedolim for prayer and tehillim, not for planeloads of American children. I'd imagine that if the Halacha were as you so strongly insist, that the gedolim might have mentioned a little something about it.
Tzahal Father,
Now that we can actually have a dialogue with you. . . I have a question:
Do you really want our complete untrained boys coming to Israel to fight when (for the most part) these boys have never taken a class in combat arms, don't know how to clean a rifle, haven't taken a face-to-face physical combat course or even marshall arts, and probably have never even run a timed mile (unless they went to public school)?
I highly doubt that our untrained boys are READY for war, and I doubt that if American parents packed 20 planefuls of young boys and sent them off to Israel that they would be of any assistance since they lack training.
Somewhat Anonymous,
I dont know about your gedolim in America, but here in Israel the Rabbanut HaRashit and both Chief Rabbis have declared a milchemet chova, and both the British and French Chief Rabbis have called on their youth of army age to get on planes and come.
The course taken by the charedi American rabbinate is a tragic history in itself, left for a different discussion. You simply verify their failure of leadership, but given their silence on the sexual scandals before you one would hardly expect them to say anything about this either.
Sephradi Lady, no one expects your sons to fight. There is a ton (literally) of lifting to be done in Tsfat and Haifa of destroyed buildings. Every volunteer 20 year old is one more capable, trained soldier who can be doing something more productive. They can learn to clean a tank turret on a base in an afternoon. It is, as I repeatedly noted, your daughters who can make the most positive immediate benefit as volunteer social workers/banot sherut leumi for the now more than 1 million displaced persons from the north. Manning a phone bank and locating temporary housing takes little training, and gets the job done in half the time of the presently undermanned staff.
Why is there no plane dafka from America? What is the great taboo about sending your children into the war zone of a milchemet chova?
"The course taken by the charedi American rabbinate is a tragic history in itself, left for a different discussion. You simply verify their failure of leadership, but given their silence on the sexual scandals before you one would hardly expect them to say anything about this either."
So you will concede that for those of us who are not acting as you have demanded, there is ample Torah authority to rely on? Or do you not believe that the Chareidi/Yeshiva rabbinate has much stature or standing to begin with (as your attempted guilt by association smear seems to suggest)?
There is no charedi Rov that I am aware of who has ever suggested that American Jewry has a heter from sending their children during milchemet chova --none. it would be an absurd statement for them to make.
Like the issue of repeated sexual impropriety in the American Frum community, the Rabbonim simply keep silent, look the other way and hope no one notices. But you have no more heter here from their silence than one of the Rabbinic child molesters has from their silence on that issue. You are simply describing a much greater failure of the American Rabbonim than is the scope of this particular blog.
Perhaps they have failed to rally their minyans (minions) to come, but your assertion that any Rov in America has ever suggested a heter exists to sending the able youth is preposterous.None ever has, none ever will.
Remember we are not discussing making aliya, as some have tried to alter the discussion. We are not even discussing youth joining the army. We are discussing the halachic requirement mi'de'orayta to send the able bodied youth to help out in time of war.
You have no heter, no American charedi Rov has ever suggested a heter en masse, none ever would.
Enjoy your ham and cheese sandwich while driving to work next Saturday, because there is simply no distinction in your selection of which issur mide'urayta to follow and which to conveniently ignore.
I never said anything about aliya. I refuse to believe that if the Chareidi rabbinate thought the situation in Eretz Yisroel created a halachic obligation on every American to send their children to Israel -that they would keep silent and not inform people of such an obligation. To say otherwise is to libel the entirety of the Chareidi/Yeshiva leadership - which you might want to consider avoiding.
As to myself and my "ham and cheese sandwich" - is it possible for you to make an argument that doesn't include some sort of slur or personal attack on people's religious observance? While I'm not jumping on the next plane to Israel (my tickets aren't until mid-August) - I have done and am doing things to help out there that would probably meet even you exacting standards. I just happen to think that you are out of line in the obligation you want to impose and the accusations you have been dispensing.
I should also note with regard to the "ham and cheese sandwich" line that quite ironically I did just recive a package of non-kosher popcorn as a pre-Bar exam present from my firm.
Tzahal father: 1 million displaced persons
Could you please qualify this? How are 1 million people displaced -- from their homes to bomb shelters? So far, there are NOT 1 million people who have left the North.
the 1 million displaced is a direct quote from HaAretz. They have used the number repeatedly in the Hebrew edition.
Two children and an adult just died in a direct hit in Natzrat (Nazereth)
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