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Monday, November 13, 2006

Chillul Hashem Redux

This is nice:
Two homemade pipe bombs were found during the night outside the home of the dean of the Ponovitz Yeshiva, Rabbi Chaim Yosef Liebowitz, who lives in Jerusalem’s Meah Shearim neighborhood.

Police bomb demolition technicians were summoned. They neutralized the devices without incident.

According to a ynet report quoting sources close to the rabbi, the act represents an increase in hostility regarding the yeshiva’s internal power struggle.
So there are Charedim in the news who stone, Charedim in the news who set dangerous fires, Charedim in the news who wildly riot, and now Charedim in the news who set pipe bombs. Lovely. Truly a Chillul Hashem. Yet again.

Can someone in the Charedi leadership please do something to stop this spiral of dangerous behavior, before a group of people that are supposed to be role models in terms of their observance instead become completely denigrated and dismissed as a community of raving lunatics?

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26 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Can someone in the Charedi leadership please do something to stop this dangerous behavior, before a group of people that are supposed to be role models in terms of their observance instead become completely denigrated and dismissed as a community of raving lunatics"

Uh, you're a little too late on that one, OM.

9:59 AM  
Blogger AMSHINOVER said...

the Charedi leadership will do something at the agudah CONVENTION GET THE ANSWER TO THESE AND OTHER COMPELLING QUESTIONS
...Have bloggers declared open season on Torah Authority? and other real issues
oh and i'd like to add "live by the sword.."

10:05 AM  
Blogger Shmilda said...

Right. After dealing with the bloggers who have "declared open season on Torah Authority," decrying this year's version of the shidduch crisis, exhorting for da'as torah, calling off school trips and other bittul torah, and assering something or other, then perhaps someone will get around to blaming the media or the internet for causing the burning trash cans and the pipe bombs.

11:10 AM  
Blogger Still Wonderin' said...

This spate of chareidi violence must certainly be the fault of bloggers. But thank God the Agudah's doing something about it.

Let's just pray the Agudah doesn't issue a press release or file an amicus brief. Then we'll all be doomed!

11:27 AM  
Blogger Charlie Hall said...

'Have bloggers declared open season on Torah Authority?'

No, we are decrying the LACK of Torah authority!

11:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you quite sure it was the chareidi community attacking the Rosh and not a backlash from the Gay pride community?

12:22 PM  
Blogger Honestly Frum said...

Perhaps the Rosh Yeshivah is a bloger- than he has the din of a rodeph. So perhaps the pipe bomber was just acting l'shem shamayim.

1:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some more wonderfully uplifting stuff. Has UOJ been replaced by Orthomom, the comments section seems to be heading that way. Keep up the great work, bash the 5 towns, the vaad, the charedi community, the school board, did I leave anything out? Your friends and neighbors really appreciate all you are doing, pause, NOT

2:32 PM  
Blogger Honestly Frum said...

In response to Anon 2:32.

I would call it more expose than bash. We in the frum community finally have a forum where we can say that enough is enough and the charedi mafia will no longer be able to rule without having to answer to others in the community who may disagree. The Chafetz Chaim writes that if someone leads themselves to have lashon hara spoken about them they are just as guilty as the person who speaks it. This goes for the current leaders of the Charedi Community who feel that they are above reproach. We blogers are here to tell them that they are not above reproach and if they say or do something questionable they will have to answer for their actions. What is their response to this? "Blogers are ruining Judaism". They are ruining Judaism!

2:39 PM  
Blogger No Blind Faith said...

They are ruining Judaism!

In answer to them and to the Agudah, " no we are not ruining Judaism" but we can be more responsible and "adult" in how we answer. We can play nice in the sandbox and do not have to resort to bashing, L"H, name calling, etc.

We do have a great knowledge of the english language and are intelligent enough to offer a viewpoint wihthout going outside the boundaries of common decency and Torah guidelines.

2:59 PM  
Blogger Jewish Blogmeister said...

Truly a scary situation..thanks for the link.

3:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will you guys stop bashing the agudah and gedolim ??? Do you want them to put extra takanas on us,our children and grandchildren ?? Do you want them to say this is all happening because yeshivos and day schools teach english beyond the 5th grade and thereby might assur all secular studies past the 5th grade ???

They will claim that there are chassidim that never went to school past the 3rd grade and became multi-millionaires.

I'm warning all of you. STOP. Enough. They will attempt to choke off any joy or happiness in our children's lives.

3:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I, for one refuse to jump on the bandwagon so fast. What gives me pause is the fact that in the previous instance where violence was attributed to the alleged Ponevezh power struggle, there was never any follow up. There was a stabbing, that was reported ONCE, there was a task force formed, that was almost a year ago. Now, a year later, and a google search of the victims name shows not a single follow up to the origional claim. Don't you think that if there was some validity to that claim that there would've have been some sort of hoopla, at least by the secular media?

3:52 PM  
Blogger Honestly Frum said...

About those chassidim who make millions and can't speak english- look to see how many of them end up in prison. I ahve first hand knowledge of a how alot of these people are making their money and I can tell you this- chassidim in the truest sence of the the word they are not.

5:10 PM  
Blogger Still Wonderin' said...

"I'm warning all of you. STOP. Enough. They will attempt to choke off any joy or happiness in our children's lives."

Is this a joke? If not, then I'm sorry to inform you that you're too late.

5:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SW,
Sure, on one hand it's a joke. But on the other hand,people do desperate things when they feel that the power that they had for many years is slipping away from them.

5:25 PM  
Anonymous unimpressed said...

"According to a ynet report quoting sources close to the rabbi, the act represents an increase in hostility regarding the yeshiva’s internal power struggle."

Your post seems to take this vague, anonymous, source as fact. This is the very thing you so often decry and berate (for a recent example, see your post on NYJW from 10/25).

Could it possibly turn out that this event was perpetrated by someone in the Charedi community? Sure. My point is to illustrate a clear hypocricy on your part. You decry the NYJW and others who appear to almost jump at the opportunity to bash orthodox judaism when they have the chance, even if it means ignoring the most basic rules any self-respecting reporter would follow (though irrelevant here, I agree with you in at least a general sense on this point). Yet, at the same time, you take the very same approach (or at least a similar approach), albeit sometimes in a more subtle manner, as the NYJW, when it comes to the charedi community.

8:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HATE, HATE, HATE will definitely not rebuild the Beis Hamikdash.

9:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its a Chillul Hashem that the Vaad is doing to Gourmet Glatt.

10:19 PM  
Blogger orthomom said...

My point is to illustrate a clear hypocricy on your part. You decry the NYJW and others who appear to almost jump at the opportunity to bash orthodox judaism when they have the chance, even if it means ignoring the most basic rules any self-respecting reporter would follow (though irrelevant here, I agree with you in at least a general sense on this point). Yet, at the same time, you take the very same approach (or at least a similar approach), albeit sometimes in a more subtle manner, as the NYJW, when it comes to the charedi community.

Actually, I don't decry the NYJW for bashing Orthodoxy. I bash them for practicing shoddy journalism. But I am not a journalist. I am a blogger. An anonymous one. I don't profess to have anywhere near the credibility of an established news source or their reporters working under their own names. I dont report the news. I weigh in with my feelings on the news. If people are coming here for hard news, they've come to the wrong place. Unfortunately, when they go to the NYJW, they've often gone to the wrong place as well.

12:31 AM  
Anonymous unimpressed said...

You missed my point.

Your distinction simply illustrates the obvious point that we should take print journalism more seriously than an anonymous blogger's musings (rantings?).

It does nothing to explain why you would expect a paper, but not yourself, to be careful not to jump to to conclusions and attack an entire community on the bases of an anonymous source. You do call yourself ORTHOmom dont you?

Falling back on the blogger/journalism distinction can only work if morals (e.g. loshon hara, motzi shem ra etc.) do not concern a person.

10:12 AM  
Blogger Sholom said...

"Police bomb demolition technicians were summoned. They neutralized the devices without incident."

That's a crying shame.

4:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This just shows you how little connection there is between keeping the frum lifestyle and being a good person.

11:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OM
Thanks for this great blog which gives a voice to the silent voiceless majority. The power wielding press ie hamodia,yated, jp etc live in terror of censure of the rightwingers and pander to their views
GD bless you
As Felix frankfurter said, "sunlight is the best disinfectant"

8:19 AM  
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