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Thursday, November 09, 2006

Dumbfounded Over Davidic Dynasty

I've been seeing huge ads in the Jewish papers for a while now proclaiming the new foundation called the Davidic Dynasty. I find the whole thing a bit bizarre, so maybe some of my readers can help me out. Apparently, those who have a oral family tradition of being descendants of King David are joining together to...join together??

The website doesn't make clear what the objective of the foundation is - though it does make some amorphous references to sovereignty over Israel:
At this critical time when the world questions
Jewish sovereignty in Israel

The Eshet Chayil Foundation

announces an Historic and Majestic event
to declare our Eternal Right to our Homeland
and restore Jewish Pride
in our Glorious Past
and in the promise of our Future...
I just don't get it.

Apparently, this Jewish version of a blue blood, white shoe, members-only club even has levels of membership based on having the correct lineage:
Join the Davidic Dynasty through these distinguished membership categories:
1. Royal Membership
If you have an oral tradition (mesorah) and/or genealogical data showing that you’re a Jewish descendant of King David, and you want to support the historic reunion of Jewish descendants of King David in Jerusalem, the City of David in May of '07, then you are invited to become a
ROYAL MEMBER of the DAVIDIC DYNASTY

2. Loyal Membership
If you are of the Jewish faith and appreciate the importance of uniting the living descendants of King David in order to send a vital message of Jewish pride and unity to all Jews as well as to all nations of the world and to declare our Eternal Right to our Homeland, then please join us as a
LOYAL MEMBER of the DAVIDIC DYNASTY
Let me get this straight. If you have a family tradition of being descended from King David, you get to become a full member, otherwise, those not as well-born can become one of the loyal minions.

Of course, in this era of litigiousness, what would a new venture be without a page of small-print disclaimers. And the Davidic Dynasty doesn't disappoint. A taste:
1) "Davidic Dynasty" cannot confirm or deny the accuracy of a claim to Davidic descent, In fact, "Davidic Dynasty recognizes that there is no irrefutable proof of claims to Davidic Descent.

... 2) Research may show that certain families claiming Davidic descent are not in fact descended from King David in the manner which they claim.. "Davidic Dynasty" reserves the right to present such research even though it may contradict the claim of a particular family

3) While the team of genealogy research advisors will do its best to examine claims of families to Davidic descent, no responsibly is taken for the veracity of such claims.

4) "David Dynasty" will attempt to present the various opinions of genealogy researchers as to the means of descent of families claiming descent from King David but will not specifically endorse any of them.

5) In the event of conflict between the opinions of genealogy researchers, or sources, the opinion expressed by "Davidic Dynasty" is that of its committee of genealogy advisors. Should there be disagreement among the members of the committee, the chairman will make every attempt to arrive at a consensus, but in the final analysis, the chairman retains the right to use his discretion as to what will be presented on the site and at the Reunion.
Ok, we get the point. You guys are a club, and we have to have be descended from the "right people" to join. Even if we have one of these names, you guys can decide that we aren't really up to the snuff of being royal instead of piddling loyal members.

The group is even trying to create a DNA test that would prove that someone is in possession of Davidic bloodlines.

But seriously, what is the objective here? A large family reunion? I don't personally see why being a co-descendant of a man who walked the earth more than three thousand years ago (King David) is any more of a strong connection than being co-descendants of a man who walked the earth more than five thousand years ago (Adam). Is this about declaring a new king? According to this, clearly not (from those disclaimers again):
7) Individuals claiming the right of succession to the throne of King David or the restoration of the Davidic Monarchy will not be endorsed or acknowledged in any way by "Davidic Dynasty".
So what is this all about? Can someone please enlighten me?

74 Comments:

Anonymous Ploney said...

I think it's quite simple, really. They want your money, for some reason or other, and making you feel important is a good way to get it.

4:43 PM  
Blogger Liorah-Lleucu said...

LOL. Good post.

4:47 PM  
Blogger The Town Crier said...

I've seen these ads for weeks and been meaning to do a blogpost about it. too bad there are many of us of davidic descent who dont have the kind of money the conference and its events require as ambiguous as it is to begin with

4:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it's funny that that they make such a big deal about davidic lineage. Probably 1 out of every 3 jews has davidic lineage (if they could trace all of their ancestors far back enough). I know I have at least two lines in my family.

5:09 PM  
Blogger The Town Crier said...

but not all those jews are morgenthau and jungreis

6:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree. the whole thing is weird. definitely doesnt seem like it qualifies as a charity. more like the skull and bones for those born into the right cradle.

8:19 PM  
Blogger mother in israel said...

They're just jealous of the kohanim.

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Blogger Miriam said...

It's nonsense; after 3,000 years and more than 100 generations, it is a fair bet that 99.9% of Jews living today are descended from King David. I wrote about this here: http://thejewishchronicle.typepad.com/blog/2006/10/good_news_were_.html

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Blogger MDmom said...

wow... so if i have kohanic blood, and my husband is a davidic descendant, what does that make our kids? uber-jews? a master race? (oops, sorry!)

ridiculous.

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Anonymous Yo said...

Umm, I have not seen, heard, or give credit to such an idea. However, the spirit must be acknowledged as part of the redemption process.


"R. Teichtal, in his Em Ha-Banim Semehah 2:15 (Mekhon Peri Ha'aretz 1983 edition, p. 132), quotes the Gemara in Megillah (17b) that says "Once Jerusalem is built, David comes, as it says 'Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the Lord their God, and David their king' (Hosea 3:5)." Rashi explains, "After they will return to the Temple, they will seek God and David their king." Clearly, first the Jews will return to Jerusalem and the Temple will be rebuilt, and then the king from the house of David, Mashi'ah, will arise."
- http://hirhurim.blogspot.com/2005/05/religious-zionism-debate-iii_12.html

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you read the ads carefully you will see the actual truth behind it. These ads are just another way for that duplicitous, shameless transparent, self-promoter Esther Jungreis to get her name in the papers...

Lucky for her, she only reaches out to bring rich people closer to G-d so she has numerous slush funds to pay for all of this. (Along with a few loyal minions who will do anything on her behalf).

12:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You people need to chill out. It's a family reunion! What's so wrong with that? If you don't have money to go to the family reunion, you don't go. That's no different from any other family reunion.

More importantly, this reunion will foster more intense genealogical investigation and "buzz" about the Davidic lines, both Jewish and goy. That too is a good thing.

You people aren't busy, otherwise you'd find something better to do with your time than to criticize a simple family reunion.

11:56 PM  
Blogger Annelore said...

I agree with anonymous - it's just a family reunion, G-d in His faithfulness restoring us not only as a nation as promised, but also the House of David. Bloggers -- ignorance is not bliss. Even quoting from the Gamara does not really make clear what is about to happen. Our prophets, however, clearly tell us. In

Amos 9:(9-10), 11 "In THAT day (when the Nazi holocaust 'sifted' our people like in a 'sieve') I will raise up the SUKKAH of David that is fallen and repair its breaches and close up its gaps.."

A SUKKAH is made from tree branches and has lots of breaches and gaps. Davidic descendants are natural "branches" of the Davidic family tree. Repairing the breaches and closing the gaps of their genealogical records transforms this suskkah into an OHEL. And we read in

Isaiah 16:5 "... then a throne will be established in steadfast love and on it will sit in faithfulness in the OHEL of David One Who judges and seeks justice and is swift to do righteousness.."

The OHEL has to stand FIRST before He can sit in it; and the throne has to be established FIRST before He can ascend on it.

Moreover, we read in Zechariah 12:7-12 that at a time when there will be a battle over Jerusalem, the royal lineage of David will be at the head of the people, like their ancestor leading them with bold faith and courage. And the families of David ('cause he had many children), including Nathan's, (full brother of Solomon), will mourn unconsolably when they will finally see and recognize Israel's Messiah and Davidic King.

In conclusion,in Psalm 89:30-36, we learn of G-d's irrevocable oath sworn by His holiness to David and to his children after him: that although He may punish and discipline them for their transgressions and iniquities, G-d will not remove His steadfast love from David and his children. His line shall endure forever.

So, what's all this bickering about? Why being envious rather than rejoicing in G-d's faithulness? What He promised He will do.

However, this reunion may get postponed many more times as long as they demand such outrageous registration fees. Furthermore, mere "oral" claim won't suffice, as it did not in Ezra's days. It will take the proof of a genealogical record.

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Concerning the Davidic Dynasty!

Who is Elyaqiym son of Chilqiyahuw?
(Eliakim son of Hilkiah)
Isaiah 22:15-24.Daniel 2:31-45Hosea 2:16-23 & 3:3-5.
Zechariah 11:6-16 and Psalms 89:19-46.
The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of YHAHOSHUAH is at hand; repent and believe the report.
Acts 1:6,7 and Revelation 2:17,25-29.
Henceforth, give all glory to the Creator YHAH TASBA EL-SHADDY.

1:44 AM  
Anonymous Elyaqiym Chilqiyahuw said...

The Davidic Dynasty!

For Such A Time As This!

And to whom is all the desire of Yisrael, Judah and the nations turned?
For behold the BRANCH of David and Solomon.

"For I will raise them a prophet like unto you Moses, from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall tell them everything I command him.
And if anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speakes in my name, YHAH himself will call the man or nations to account". Deuteronomy 18:18,19.

Now therefore I Elyaqiym son of Chilqiyahuw or (Eliakim son of Hilkiah), By virtue of the sovereignty vested in me by Thee Creator of heaven and earth.
I do heraby call upon all humankind, rich and poor, free or bond to worship YHAH TSABA EL-SHADDY in truth and with understanding.

Any attemp to cherrypick and subvert his laws and commandments is high treason.

If you you revolt against my words, I will uncover your nakedness, consume your pride, and you shall perish in your sins.

Elyaqiym

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