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Thursday, July 12, 2007

Help Me Out With This One

This is the story. Yesterday's date was July 11 - 7/11. So in honor of that date, participating 7/11 stores apparently give out free 7.11 ounce Slurpees all day long. How did I hear about this? One of my kids came home from camp yesterday to tell me that the entire camp piled into buses to head over to the local 7-11 store, at which point every single camper in the camp lined up to receive their free Slurpee.

I was initially appalled at the thought of hundreds of identifiably Orthodox kids being lined up by their counselors to take advantage of this promotion. Taking so many kids who are clearly not in the market to be purchasing anything else from the store seems somehow to be thwarting the spirit in which this deal was offered. But I'm not so sure that my initial reaction was the correct one. I mean, 7-11 did choose to offer the promotion, seemingly with no strings or caveats attached. Was the spectacle of hundreds of Frum kids lining up to enjoy the 7-11 freebies a huge Chillul Hashem - or completely okay?

Readers? Care to weigh in?

76 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'll begin by saying that I am a professional marketer and have worked on FREE promotions in the past.

The general idea behind such a promo, from a large multinational company like 7-11, is to garner postive PR and offer products to sample, hoping to increase sales in the future.

How many of these kids have had a Slurpee in the last 7 days? How many will now ask Mom and Dad to take them to 7-11 on Sunday to get one?

If only 5% of the kids from your child's camp come back to get a Slurpee in the next 7 days, the promo paid for itself.

Have you thought of stopping in for a Slurpee today?

3:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it would be okay as long as the camp informed the local 7-11 that they were coming and that they would need to provide--20? 50? 200? slurpees in a short period of time.

But I really CAN go for a slurpee right now--dont think ill wait till 7/11/08!

3:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I completely agree with the previous comment. I live in Chicago, and my son's camp had the same outing. At first I had a funny feeling about it, but when my son asked if we can go on Sunaday for Slurpees, I realized that 7-11 got exactly what they wanted.

3:42 PM  
Blogger Chaim said...

I think in theory it was probably a chillul hashem. BUT I have to say that the "cheap jew" steroetype is sometimes very silly. I know plenty of Jews that arent cheap at all and I know plenty o non jewish people who are quite cheap. It's about the person not the religion.

With that said, the only chillul hashem would be the one made based on that unfiar stereotype.

Is it ACTUALLY a chillul hashem? I don't think so. It's a very fun experience for a kid to get a free slurpee. This promotion has been around for years. I myself remember being a 15 year old "Jr. Counselor" at a Jewish Day camp and going with my bunk and senior counselor to get free slurpees. They kids were so happy.

I have a feeling other camps do it as well, not just Jewish ones.

Just like the previous commenter, I am also in the Marketing world and I'd say if even TWO percent of those kids get it ingrained in them to come back for more then it was a success.

Hook em while they're young, remember?

:-)

Don't feel bad because of an unfair stereotype.

3:42 PM  
Blogger Ayelet said...

I guess my son goes to a classier camp :). They were piled onto busses last Monday to get Slurpees at 7-11, paid for by the camp! My $950 (for one month!) is going for something!

Incidentally, I took my kids out during the thunderstorm yesterday to 7-11 because I had promised them I would. I couldn't get out because of the rain and lack of parking spot and the fact that my youngest gets hysterical in the rain. My son went in on his own and came out saying they said he needed money. I didn't have any with me and so we had to turn back home. I'm pretty sure it was a participating store. I was so furious.

3:51 PM  
Blogger mother in israel said...

It bothers me more that the camp thought that a free slurpee was important enough to hire a bus to take the kids there. Personally, I'm glad my kids don't know what a slurpee is.

I would expect the camp charging what it does (presumably) to offer the kids more wholesome activities.

3:53 PM  
Blogger Ezzie said...

My first reaction would have been like yours, but on second thought, I don't think 7/11 would react in any way but LOVING it. They're hooking little kids on Slurpees... and they're now viewed as such treats that the camp even *took them* just to go get them! 7/11 loves this stuff, I'm sure.

The first anon is right: Say it's 500 kids with free ones, at a cost of .10 to 7/11. That's $50 to 7/11. But now let's say 50 kids convince their parents to get slurpees *one* extra time (along with 25 siblings/friends who are with them, as often happens)... that's 75 slurpees at (say) $1 profit per... or +$25 right there. If they get more... it's pure profit. It's a really brilliant promotion; much better (and cheaper) than traditional advertising.

4:00 PM  
Anonymous Mike S. said...

What about teaching the kids to develop a love for empty sugar?

I would not consider this an appropriate camp activity at all.

Everytime I have asked a shailah about accepting some promotional offer, I have have been told that the store knows full well what it is doing, and it does not violate the issur of ona'at devarim to accept the offer even if one enters the store with no intention to make a purchase. In one such case, the offer required one to test drive a car, i.e. take up a significant amount of the salesman's time. Even after hearing that it was mutar, I felt that I should warn the salesman; he, indeed, said he would be happy to take me for the spin in the hope of persuading to buy a car, if not then at some time in the future.

4:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

mom in israel: most camps out here likely keep buses on campus from pickup until dismissal.

4:20 PM  
Blogger MoChassid said...

I think it's bad because now a whole new generation of kids will be less likely to make aliyah because they don't have slurpees in Israel. We must be in the post-Zionist generation.

4:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Orthomom's feelings are right and they are my initial feelings too. I have a hunch they'll be my feelings the next time I think about this and the next time as well. We can't afford to do silly looking things. Promotions are meant to be used in a normal shopping manner - despite what the marketing people have written. It's like the people who manipulate online coupon offers and go into an electronics store claiming their coupons should buy them an item for free. The store didn't intend for that; the customer just found a way to manipulate it. If your Jewish, you don't do that coupon thing. It's just bad looking.

5:05 PM  
Blogger Jill said...

Well - since I'm not in your neck of the woods and am not in the Orthodox community in my woods, I want to say that this really is just one Conservative Jew in Cleveland's opinion (who was raised Reform no less) so...

First, I'd say that I agree with Mom in Israel - could they find nothing else to do, regardless of whether the buses were idle?

Second, what strikes me most is, I don't think anyone - Jew or otherwise, should feel that they can't do something they want to do because it feeds into a stereotype. Don't get me wrong - I completely understand that and I know I've had moments when I thought about the very same thing affecting the choices I make (as a Jew in a secular community as opposed to being frum and being noticed for that).

BUT...I don't like to be intimidated out of what I want. Some people think my blog's theme song should be Tom Petty's I Won't Back Down.

So - this is a toughie. Maybe no right or wrong, only what works for you.

But in general - why not have a special camp hour making slurpees? I remember at my overnight camp we would get to make ice cream, homemade, churning and the whole thing, if we had made our bunks clean for a week.

5:42 PM  
Blogger DAG said...

A lot of camps do that on 7-11 :-)

5:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's pretty tacky, whether frum or not.

However, the first poster is right about the returns on freebie promotions.

And the other posters are right about the sugar rush (chemicals and empty calories no less), and I don't send my children to camp for $$$$$ and expect them to be taken to 7-11 for a promo.

But hey, this is the kind of world we live in these days.

6:43 PM  
Blogger Carrie said...

As a former retail store owner, the only problem I have is that they really should have called ahead to warn to store that hundreds of children would be descending like locusts on his store. I had class trips stop at my store and while I was very glad for the business, if I had known ahead of time, I would have made sure I had extra help to keep the shelves stocked and the register moving quickly.

6:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it's fine - there are 2 facebook groups telling people about the event - one with 5500 attendees, one with 6500 members. The parking lot of my 7-11 had non-Jewish teens popping in and out all day. Couldn't get a spot there. To this generation, 7/11 is now a cultural event just like a baseball game. So I think it's fine especially with understanding that the teenage counselors are part of the facebook generation. and just keeping camp cool.

7:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's no way 7-11 was expecting anyone to buy anything. If they're even remotely connected with reality, they expected lines out the door of people doing nothing but getting free slurpees. I went to the 7-11 in Times Square and that's exactly what I saw. Stores have these promotions for the good will it creates with the customers in line and the universally positive press coverage that the promotion--and then the long lines--always garners.

Have you ever been to Ben & Jerry's on the day each year that they give out free cones? They don't even have any other products available for sale that day.

And as for the few people crying crocodile tears about kids *gasp* consuming sugary snacks, what on earth do you think they're eating and drinking at camp every other day of the summer? Between the fish sticks, the chicken nuggets, and the daily ice cream/ices, Slurpees are probably the healthiest thing my kids will eat at camp all summer. I send them to camp for the exercise, the activities, and the time making friends, not for the nutrition.

8:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a different take on this. . .
I took my kids for slurpees yesterday at the local 5 towns 7-11. My daughter had heard about it from all her counselors in camp. By the time we got there, waited and maneuvered into a spot and fought the crowd to get into the store, they were out of 7 oz. cups. They wouldn't let you use the other cups there because they are "inventory". They said you had to bring your own cup. I guess your child's camp used up all the cups! So maybe it's not fair afterall.
Incidentally, I watched a kippah-ed boy fill up a huge re-usable Big Gulp cup he had brought from home, and walk out with a 48-oz. free slurpee.
The floor was a sticky mess and the slurpees were all melted.
Most of the parents there ended up buying the smallest size SLurpee for each of their kids, so I guess 7-11 covered their costs at the end of the day!

8:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

great post! I agree with your second feeling, om.

Please keep up on your posting! We miss you!

9:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it any different than the Bronx Zoon on a Wednesday (when it is free)? There are a few Jewish cemetaries in Queens that are overgrown, filled with McDonald's wrappers and other debris and have been ignored by us all for decades. How about having a major chesed clean up of the cemetaries?

4:19 AM  
Blogger JPNWorld Broadcast said...

In my estimation, this is bad chinuch, not just in ways already mentioned, but also that it reinforces the idealization of getting something-for-nothing-- hire a bus to take 200 kids out to a store so they can each get a free slurpie?

Contrast that with Rav Dessler's essay on 'Giving and Taking'.

Michoel@Chareidio.com

4:50 AM  
Anonymous Observer said...

When my son first told me about his upcoming camp "trip," I had the same reaction as OM. It just doesn't sit right with me. To go line up, tzizit out, heads covered, wearing camp shirts just to get a free slurppe. I just don't like the picture. I hear what Jill (and others) said about sterotyping and not giving in to them, but they are out there nonetheless. On the other hand, the kids looked forward to it -- so I guess no harm, no foul. Although I certainly would have preferred a fresh fruit giveaway -- I bet the lines wouldn't have been as long! This isn't the first year of the promotion, so if 7-11 thought this was a major problem, they would have dealt with it. Mo: fyi Post-zionism is a canard (see http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/878936.html) (yes, I know tongue was planted firmly in cheek, but I liked this piece anyway). Have a shabbat shalom everybody.

9:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

once again, we jews strive to take advantage of the system... the camp should be ashamed of themselves for taking that many kids for the "freebie".. what they said to their campers was" hey, why shouldnt we all get something for nothing and further promote the secular worlds view of jews as takers and shnorrers." take the kids instead to a shelter and give back to the community to those less fortunate.. tell them that they are responsible to show the world what jews are really about. that impressions last a lifetime and the impression ( and sight) of 200 kippah-wearing boys lining up for a freebie reinforces to those around us that we are takers.

good shabbos

11:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

geez...nothing wrong with an occasional slurpee!!

11:15 AM  
Blogger triLcat said...

We may not have slurpees (TM) here in Israel, but we do have BARAD (lit. "hail") which is pretty much the same except the cola flavor is usually pretty gross b/c it's not made from coca-cola syrup.

12:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

slurpees are not the issue.. the issue is how we look to the secular world when we take something to the max.

12:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is fortuitous that you are bringing up this subject.
My son and I pulled into 7/11 that nite to get some ice cream. I was appalled at the scene I stumbled upon. It was not only the children but parents too. Like wild animals, acting like they never saw a slurpee before. I was ashamed but when my son turned to me with an incredulous look, I simply said that this is what happens when Flatbush moves to here.
I was totally disgusted with the yeshivish behaimos and the stunned look of the gentiles walking in.
I was never so ashamed of my heritage till I walked into this despicable horror of parents and children acting like vilda chayos.

3:30 PM  
Anonymous disgusted said...

Anonymous said...

It is fortuitous that you are bringing up this subject.
My son and I pulled into 7/11 that nite to get some ice cream. I was appalled at the scene I stumbled upon. It was not only the children but parents too. Like wild animals, acting like they never saw a slurpee before. I was ashamed but when my son turned to me with an incredulous look, I simply said that this is what happens when Flatbush moves to here.
I was totally disgusted with the yeshivish behaimos and the stunned look of the gentiles walking in.
I was never so ashamed of my heritage till I walked into this despicable horror of parents and children acting like vilda chayos.


HUH? I think you have some serious self-hating issues. I took my daughter to the local 7-11 too and I saw many frum parents with their children (many were adorably outfitted in pajamas). All were orderly and well-behaved, even thought the store was very crowded. I certainly do not think they behaved in any sort of embarassing way. I was proud top have a Kippah on and be connected to the kids who were patiently waiting with their parents. As a matter of fact the only kids who were disruptive there were the ones who blew in on their skateboards and were arguing with the manager that they should get the huge slurpys they helped themselves to for free because they didnt know the promotion didn't apply to any size slurpys. Thank GOD they weren't Orthodox because they very disgustingly left their unpaid for slurpys on the counter to melt when the manager didnt let them take it. That was the only bad behavior I saw at the Rockaway Turnpike 7-11 the other night.

As to your comment about "I simply said that this is what happens when Flatbush moves to here.
I was totally disgusted with the yeshivish behaimos and the stunned look of the gentiles walking in.". Do you, Mr. anonymous, think it would be okay if I said that "this is what happens when Spanish Harlem moves here. I was totally disgusted with the Hispanic animals and the stunned look of the Yeshivish people walking in", in response to the obviously Hispanic kids who misbehaved. Moral of the story? It doesn't make it OK to throw out slurs just because you are part of the group you are directing the slur at. A slur is a slur. And you, Mr. Anonynous, are not the person I want telling me what proper behavior is. You obviously have no idea how to behave yourself.

I also think anyone here who thinks that this plays into the cheap jew stereotype is dead wrong. Every year when 7-11 offers this promotion there are groups and camps that pull up. I saw it last year, and if it bothered 7-11 at all then they would make a rule against busing in groups. They don't because they don't mind. There was a news crew with a camera filming in front of a 7-11 that I passed in Brooklyn interviewing people on the promotion (slow news day I guess).

Take it from me. I am newly Frum, so I actually know what people in both words think and how they act.

There was nothing wrong with how the camp behaved, nor with how most Orthodox people I saw taking advantage of the promotion behaved. But I will say I am ashamed of the way the Anonymous commenter from 3:30 behaves. I hope I don't ever have to meet him (her?) in person.

3:51 PM  
Blogger MoChassid said...

Trilcat

I rest my case, Barad. You must be joking.

This entire 7-11 thing was an anti-Zionist plot.

4:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(applause for "disgusted", whoever you are)

4:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whether or not the camp was "entitled" to take advantage of the free promotion, I think it was poor judgment on the camp's part. I'm embarrassed.

5:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it's pretty sad if the excitment of the camp day is going on a trip to the local 7/11 to get a free slurpee. don't they have better things to do...like playing soccer or going swimming perhaps?

5:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If it feels wrong, must be because it is.
Also, did anyone think about the health of their children in regards to this promotion? Do you really want your child(ren) addicted to sugar like that?
They all managed to live 364 without them, one more day to fill out the year with out a large cup of ice and sugar is only a good thing.

5:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

God, this is an inane conversation. A 7.11 ounce slurpee is far from kiddie crack in today's day and age. Great, today's kids see porn on billboards on every street corner but refined sugar is the real devil. Get a life.

7:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I work at a Jewish camp, and though we did not pile our campers into buses for the event, there was a lot of talk about the event throughout the day.

Later that evening I forgot the date and ran in to get coffee, and there was a massive line for the slurpees, and it was almost entirely composed of very frum looking people, and I overheard some on-looker mutter "typical Jews."

Is it a Chillul Hashem? Maybe. Is it a bad idea to get kids hooked on this junk? Maybe. Were equally long lines and similar camp-outings going on in non-Jewish areas throughout the country? ABSOLUTLEY!

9:37 PM  
Blogger YMedad said...

I know some of you might think my following comment typical "I'm-here-in-Israel"-like but nevertheless, what's a SLURPEE?

Please OM, for our, okay, my benefit, try to define certain cultural, gastronomical or religious terms that are particularly American.

But that reminds me of a Yiddish promo slogan that was used, if I recall, to sell homes in Emmanual: "if the give, take".

6:04 PM  
Blogger YMedad said...

sorry, "if they give, take".

6:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i hope at least they only got the kosher flavors.

12:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

first of all, i ask readers to responds to the following question: DOES ANYONE READ THOSE REALLY LONG POSTS?

didnt think so.

anyways, about the issue at hand- i was once a counceler in a camp that did this and i, like most ppl here, questioned it.

but- the answer is like this- did u ever see a movie where they are like giving something away or something of the sort? a celebrity signing auotgraphs at a local store? the image is usually hundreds of people lining up to recieve whatever is being offered. a line out the door.
this is the image that 7-11 wants!! for whatever marketing reason is behind it- they want MILLIONS of people to take advantage1 and that IS what happens.
also, keep in mind that the smallest size slurpee at our local 7-11 goes for 1.08. the one given away on july 11 is much smaller than that size.

2:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:37 said:
Later that evening I forgot the date and ran in to get coffee, and there was a massive line for the slurpees, and it was almost entirely composed of very frum looking people, and I overheard some on-looker mutter "typical Jews."

my answer:
i think its time the world realizes that a chillul hashem does not mean anything the outside world views as bad. lmushul- some ppl will say about yeshiva guys "ah! they dont shave during the three weeks?! they look like monkies! what a chillul hashem" the answer is that its not a chillul hashem, rather a kiddush hashem for it is a halacha.
if getting slurpees is bad, its a chillul hashem, if its good than its nothing, not a chillul, not a kiddush.
i feel this is an important idea to realize. if the outside world questions a jewish policy which in actuallity isnt wrong- there is no chillul hashem. the idea isnt just to please everyone.
stealing in business, being michallel shabbos, hypocracy- all chilluli hashem. but just bec someone says 'typical jew" doesnt mean a thing.

2:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

as mentioned earlier it definetly would be nice to call first.

2:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why is this a desecration of gods name? to think along those lines one must really be a paranoid fundamentalist. the only objection i have to such behaviour is the implied "hechsher" of 7-11

8:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:37 said:
Later that evening I forgot the date and ran in to get coffee, and there was a massive line for the slurpees, and it was almost entirely composed of very frum looking people, and I overheard some on-looker mutter "typical Jews."

my answer:
i think its time the world realizes that a chillul hashem does not mean anything the outside world views as bad. lmushul- some ppl will say about yeshiva guys "ah! they dont shave during the three weeks?! they look like monkies! what a chillul hashem" the answer is that its not a chillul hashem, rather a kiddush hashem for it is a halacha.
if getting slurpees is bad, its a chillul hashem, if its good than its nothing, not a chillul, not a kiddush.
i feel this is an important idea to realize. if the outside world questions a jewish policy which in actuallity isnt wrong- there is no chillul hashem. the idea isnt just to please everyone.
stealing in business, being michallel shabbos, hypocracy- all chilluli hashem. but just bec someone says 'typical jew" doesnt mean a thing.

11:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is a chillul hashem is airing our dirty laundry in public like this. This thread is not pro ortho. It demeans

11:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

??

12:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

as someone who runs a camp, this was my way of looking at 7/11:

I would never send all 200 of our campers.

We made a competition out of it a week before, and the best bunk WON the prize of going to 7/11.

We then taught the children about making a Kiddush Hashem on the day of the "trip", and used as a practical application test.

The kids were excellent.

We also use 7-11 as a prize for other bunks later in the summer, so 7-11 easily makes their money back on us.

And we do have "other" things to do, but as a once off prize for kids, I see no problem. we serve healthy food and snacks everyday, and have loads of sports, gym, swimming and oher healthy activities. Our trips are to educational museums etc. Yet, it is extremely difficult to arrange a full days schedule everyday, and the positivity generated (a reward for good behaviour, a lesson in Kiddush Hashem, a lesson in Kosher - have to check the list before choosing a flavour - a lesson in Brochos ...) from such a promotion, with the minor setback of a drop of sugar (most kids can't even finnish the cup!)I think it's a no-brainer.

As for the "cheap Jew" stereotype, we were the only Jews there, behaving great, while the others, well, not so well behaved. And when I went myself later (to get something for money - not free!!) I was the only Jew, and again, the behaviour of the others around me was appalling.

1:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

enough with this anti-sugar garbage. it is rediculous and insane. allow kids to be kids. dont worry about the sugar thing, everyone just relax and everything will be fine.

1:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if you are living in a predominately Jewish neighborhood, then the majority of people in 7-11 will be Jewish i.e. "that's what happens when Flatbush moves here. " Out in the boondocks, there will be less jews. Kids will act the same in both locations, you just think it's a Jewish thing to take advantage of the promotion because you live in a Jewish area.

2:39 PM  
Blogger SephardiLady said...

I wouldn't vote a chillul Hashem unless the campers left a sticky mess and treated the staff like garbage.

But, I wouldn't vote a kiddush Hashem either, even if nice polite behavior was demonstrated (don't we always expect that from our children?). Somehow, dumping that many kids on the 7-11 staff at one time, no matter how nicely behaved just brings me back to my days working in a minimum wage job.

3:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, people who run these camps are really retarded. Its such an overt way to perpetuate a negative stereotype. It almost sounds like a punch line to a joke.

Also, why is this even a camp activity? Is getting free things so important to jews?

4:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is the start of promoting drug abuse
I wish i was kidding
there is a great Simpsons in which Bart and Milhouse find $20 and get smashed on slurpies and bart wakes up the next morning horrified that he joined the boy scouts in a "drug" induced haze.

7:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i saw that simpsons - classic

i worked at a camp last summer, when the camp took the kids on a surprise trip to 7-11 to get slurpees. the camp called ahead, and was told to come on over. the kids were so excited.

on a side note - my kids love slurpees from 7-11 which they never finish, and this was a huge deal when their camp went this year. camp is supposed to be about fun and surprises, and this trip to 7-11 fit the bill.

10:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

we must go lefnei meshrat hadin when it comes to chilul hashem

2:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Retarded? Did that poster really call people who run these camps retarded? Not a nice word.

4:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i have not read all the comments but what suprises me the most is that not everyone drinks slurpees for kashrus reasons. and for a camp to take campers off grounds for food is suprising anf not responsiable for a frum camp to do.

11:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Klal Israel should know of no more tragedies, such as what apparently occurred in Boro Park earlier today.

Regarding knee socks and the like, one issue no one is paying attention to is the necessity of boys and girls getting adequate calcium and vitamin D, especially during their growing years. Adequate sunshine exposure is needed. Most healthy bone is laid down by early adulthood. Does the extreme cover-up lower girls' chances of having healthy bones? Any pediatricians wish to weigh in on this?

7:59 PM  
Blogger YMedad said...

Thanks for no one explaining what a Slurpee is. If I ever get Stateside, it'll be all your fault if I get yelled at for causing chillul hashem if be accident I buy a Slurpee.

8:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

a slurpee is semi frozen soda or fruit juice. it's quite gross but the kids love it.

3:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i actually read an article a while back that said that women who avoid the sun and are completely covered do increase their chances of vitamin d deficiency.

3:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to YMEdad...the chullim hashem is not in the PURCHASE of a slurpee. purchase being the operative here...it is the assumption that 7-11 wanted 200 yeshivas bochas to converge on their 2 employees to get their "free" slurpee. it is the impression to the secular world that we jews take anything free..to the nth degree.. what a terrible thing for goyim to see and think of us..

11:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

to YMEdad...the chullim hashem is not in the PURCHASE of a slurpee. purchase being the operative here...it is the assumption that 7-11 wanted 200 yeshivas bochas to converge on their 2 employees to get their "free" slurpee. it is the impression to the secular world that we jews take anything free..to the nth degree.. what a terrible thing for goyim to see and think of us..


"Bochas"? I highly doubt that if you can't the word right that you are worried about what the "goyim" think of "us". One of "us" would never talk that way. There's nothing wrong with taking advantage of a free promotion. There were camps at 7-11's all over the country that day. Only haters like you would talk about how this means that "jews take anything free".

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Plenty of non-Jews lined uo in groups for the slurpys.

8:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

a jew is a jew is a jew....that is what the world sees.. and for your info.....the world is made up of predominately non-jews...even though in our little ghetto we find that hard to believe.

9:48 AM  
Blogger eem said...

A slurpee is like the "barad" you get in israel-you know, the neon colored frozen drink that you buy for 2 shekel a cup...it's not just an american phenomenon!

2:01 PM  
Blogger Lubyvitcher said...

Here is my slurp on this one. We live WAY out of town-no ice cream, no pizza store. Slurpies are our only vice!! When we walk into the only Jewish owned 7-11 I've ever seen(with a Pakistani boyfriend). She is excited to see us. It's a given that I am going in the back room to make sure the flavor on the machine in the back matches the sign for the customers. I think it was a relief for the owner to see us(familiar, already regular customers) on that day. We are one bunch of yarmulka wearing slurpers trying to make a kiddush Hashem.
We go there so often, I even got her to donate to the local day school's auction.

3:15 AM  
Blogger Robin said...

It's not a chillul hashem.
It's feeding into 7-11's marketing, which is exactly what they wanted people to do.
If your kid was excited, then everyone won.
Your child won. He's happy.
You won. Your child had a good day in camp.
The camp won. They have a happy camper.
7-11 won. Your child told you, and probably lots of other people, about his free slurpy. All that exposure, and it cost them what, 30 cents?

Could everyone please calm down?

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